Dansby Talks about being overweight.along with other players..

The criticism could be applied to many teams. The Steelers looked awful defensively for the first few weeks.

These guys worked out, but the intensity was nowhere near what it should have been. Add in the fact that they were being locked out by the owners, which I don't think helped motivate the players. You certainly would prefer to have a team full of guys that are more self-motivated, but keep in mind that 99% of the people here would take Dez Bryant over Jared Odrick.

This is the main reason for us having such a terrible waste of a year we faded in the 2nd half 7 straight weeks due to our team not being in football shape.

"Stringer Bell wrote:

The criticism could be applied to many teams. The Steelers looked awful defensively for the first few weeks.

These guys worked out, but the intensity was nowhere near what it should have been. Add in the fact that they were being locked out by the owners, which I don't think helped motivate the players. You certainly would prefer to have a team full of guys that are more self-motivated, but keep in mind that 99% of the people here would take Dez Bryant over Jared Odrick.

Stringer, we needed to know better than other teams, we needed to understand the importance of it considering the situation, we needed to be more hungry, we needed smarter leadership that understood the advantage if cognisant of the topic, we obviously failed in that dept, and it seems that this can be some quantifiable proof of inordinately bad performances in consecutive fashion.

"djphinfan wrote:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/dolphins/miami-dolphins-linebacker-karlos-dansby-who-is-playing-1968253.html

Not sure why their wasn't a plan for millionares to abide by a structured training program set up for the players...You don't have to have personal contact with them, but we could of set up a plan for an outside source to take over keeping our team in shape..

Huge problem in this business,and I for one would not stand for it if I was an owner, wouldn't want them on my team if they didn't understand that the salary that I pay them means its a full time job..If I was a Gm I wouldn't sign anyone who wasn't educated on their nutrition and offseason training, nor if I was a coach would a player who didn't have the discipline to understand that you improve your game in the offseason would I play..

For me its come to the point where if your too stupid to not know how to train and eat properly so you can mamimize your natural talent's when the games begin, then your too stupid and lazy to play for me.

Freakin defensive players out of breath against the Pats, suckin wind and couldn't compete from a cardiac perspective...What a joke..don't they know they haven't accomplished jack sh^5 for this team or this town..

From what has transpired thru the first 7 games of the season, to connecting some dots, they ought to be ashamed.

I agree. And it's not like these guys don't have training programs in place. Every offseason, as it whe I played baseball, as it is for every sport, your given an offseason program to abide by. Worst part of it is, most of these defensive players are not only veterans, but have been in the Dolphins program for 3+ years, so it's not like they don't have an outline or idea to go by.

And you're right, Stringer. Nomdoubt the intensity was lessened and the fact they were locked out by the owners had a psychological effect.

If I recall, the Pats were not out of shape, and the disparity of conditioning between our teams was made clearly evident in the season opener. Key to their game plan, it was clearly exploited, and culpable in a lopsided crushing, that ultimately propelled this team, and much of its shellshocked audience, on a wayward heading for last place.

I'm not sure how any GM is going to draft a team of nutritionists who can also play football well.

This almost belongs in PoFo, but here it is. When the union bargains for cutting down on offseason conditioning, it degrades the product that the fans pay to see. This is an example of how the union movement is wrecking American industry as a competitive force. Those who are willing to work harder than others win the championships, in sports and in all lines of work. For the money the teams pay these players, the teams should be entitled to force the players to be and stay in football shape year-round, like it or not. Relying on the players to discipline themselves is bad business, and when these guys are making a minimum salary of $375,000 a year, the ability to impose discipline is not too much for the team to ask. This team should hire Shula as Special Coach for Discipline.

The unions fault?Players show up out of shape and it's the unions fault?Sorry I can't blame them.

"firedan wrote:

The unions fault?Players show up out of shape and it's the unions fault?Sorry I can't blame them.

I agree. The players are grown men. They know damn well what type of shape they need to be in to play at an NFL level. Even if the intensity isn't there, they could've been a lot closer to being in shape than they were.

Personal responsibility, how does it work?

DJ, I know you're a fitness finatic when it comes to players... but every team in the league has struggled with this issue this season due to the lockout...

If other teams can do it, then why can't we?

I'd agree this is a silly argument if every team was having these issues, but it's not every team. The majority of teams were ready to play football, lockout or not. This team was not. That's facts.

It's pretty clear to me that the lockout isn't the only thing at fault here. It only served to make more apparent an existing problem.

"Rouk wrote:

This is the main reason for us having such a terrible waste of a year we faded in the 2nd half 7 straight weeks due to our team not being in football shape.

we were destined to have a wasted year once ross decided to retain the fist pumping cheerleader.

I don't know about enforcement etc, but I do know if I were being paid $375,000 or more per year to play a game, I'd be in shape every minute of every day 7/365 and I would be making sure I was getting STRONGER and in BETTER shape every day.

Look at superstars like Jerry rice, not the fastest or biggest, but the BEST receiver to ever play the game, so far. Why? He was fanatical about working on his conditioning and his game shape as well as study, 24/7/365.

"muscle979 wrote:

I'm not sure how any GM is going to draft a team of nutritionists who can also play football well.

At 22 years old, a player that knows their heading to the pros should have an awareness of taking care of their bodies..

"cdz12250 wrote:

This almost belongs in PoFo, but here it is. When the union bargains for cutting down on offseason conditioning, it degrades the product that the fans pay to see. This is an example of how the union movement is wrecking American industry as a competitive force. Those who are willing to work harder than others win the championships, in sports and in all lines of work. For the money the teams pay these players, the teams should be entitled to force the players to be and stay in football shape year-round, like it or not. Relying on the players to discipline themselves is bad business, and when these guys are making a minimum salary of $375,000 a year, the ability to impose discipline is not too much for the team to ask. This team should hire Shula as Special Coach for Discipline.

Not sure why this doesn't belong in the main forum, we could be staring at some of the answers to 0 and 7, its relevant...Anyways I agree with your response, but I also think when you sign that contract there needs to be a stipulation and or understanding of what your going to do on your own to make sure you as an athlete, paid by this employer, are going to train the body to perform..

What I'am saying is a complete restructuring of the way things are done, the body is looked at like part of the equation..Contracts are adjusted or enhanced, and it comes down to a science..Meeting performance and weight goals would be a very big deal in a contract.

"Califin wrote:

If I recall, the Pats were not out of shape, and the disparity of conditioning between our teams was made clearly evident in the season opener. Key to their game plan, it was clearly exploited, and culpable in a lopsided crushing, that ultimately propelled this team, and much of its shellshocked audience, on a wayward heading for last place.

I don't know if the Patriots were truly in shape, but I do know that Belichick knew other teams wouldn't be. What their offense did to us that first week they tested out on teams like Tampa in pre-season, wearing them out with an up-tempo style of offense that was pretty effective early on in the season. I think part of the reason you're starting to see New England not be quite as prolific on offense now is that defenses have been getting their legs back under them.

"FinNasty wrote:

DJ, I know you're a fitness finatic when it comes to players... but every team in the league has struggled with this issue this season due to the lockout...

I get that FN and struggle with quantifying the advantage and affects amongst 32 teams..My Issue with our player is he is our leader and highest paid player on that side of the ball, it looks like he made no attempt to gather his troops and set the example, have a sense of urgency, and lead..If we can prove that 31 other defenses in the league were relatively lazy and out of shape on defense, then we have an even playing field, however I find it hard to believe that to be true..

Check it out, this man is running around talking like he's the best in the game, when there is no way in hell he can honestly say that he was at his best for the first quarter of the football season..Why do you think he's admitting it now, he's doing it because he wants us to know why he played like sh%$....Well, I'am sorry, that little gesture of negligence is not so little when your talking about the big business of winning football games.

"PhinsRock wrote:

I don't know about enforcement etc, but I do know if I were being paid $375,000 or more per year to play a game, I'd be in shape every minute of every day 7/365 and I would be making sure I was getting STRONGER and in BETTER shape every day.

Look at superstars like Jerry rice, not the fastest or biggest, but the BEST receiver to ever play the game, so far. Why? He was fanatical about working on his conditioning and his game shape as well as study, 24/7/365.

It's easy to say that from the outside looking in... just saying.

"PhinsRock wrote:

I don't know about enforcement etc, but I do know if I were being paid $375,000 or more per year to play a game, I'd be in shape every minute of every day 7/365 and I would be making sure I was getting STRONGER and in BETTER shape every day.

Look at superstars like Jerry rice, not the fastest or biggest, but the BEST receiver to ever play the game, so far. Why? He was fanatical about working on his conditioning and his game shape as well as study, 24/7/365.

exactly...and whether any player likes it or not, it shouldn't be a democracy..If they don't have the sense of pride or intelligence to understand its importance to a team game, let alone their individual performance then they will be babysat..

Not training your body like a science as a professional athlete is a gross display of negligence, disrespect, and stupidity..

I will tell you this, and I'am being 100 percent honest..When we signed Dansby, my one worry about him was his body, like I do with every player that we sign, I studied it, and my conclusions were that he didn't train his body hard and was getting by on pure natural talent and genetics...This admission of his justifies that evaluation...

He's gonna be 30 years old, a multi millionare athlete, his ass better start taking his body and being cognisant of his nutrition...Unbelievable the response about dressings on salads, are you freaking kidding me Karlos..

"PhinGeneral wrote:

I don't know if the Patriots were truly in shape, but I do know that Belichick knew other teams wouldn't be. What their offense did to us that first week they tested out on teams like Tampa in pre-season, wearing them out with an up-tempo style of offense that was pretty effective early on in the season. I think part of the reason you're starting to see New England not be quite as prolific on offense now is that defenses have been getting their legs back under them.

CK called this very scenario... and I'am sure he let his players in some way know what his intentions were gonna be to start the season..maybe the message was something like this,

''Were gonna go no huddle, up tempo, and wear teams out when we start the season, make sure we keep in shape cause when camp starts, were going all out...''

"PhinsRock wrote:

I don't know about enforcement etc, but I do know if I were being paid $375,000 or more per year to play a game, I'd be in shape every minute of every day 7/365 and I would be making sure I was getting STRONGER and in BETTER shape every day. Look at superstars like Jerry rice, not the fastest or biggest, but the BEST receiver to ever play the game, so far. Why? He was fanatical about working on his conditioning and his game shape as well as study, 24/7/365.

This is pretty much how I see it pretty well said It's there job to be in tip top condition there is a reason players get cut when they show up in terrible shape. Then they complain fans don't fill the stadium why should fans come pay to watch players who are not giving it 100% all year round play like the stars your supposed to be and the stadium will be filled. Also not trying to say every one on the dolphins is like this but we have faded pretty bad in the 2nd half of games this year so I'm sure its pretty wide spread.

"DePhinistr8 wrote:

I agree. The players are grown men. They know damn well what type of shape they need to be in to play at an NFL level. Even if the intensity isn't there, they could've been a lot closer to being in shape than they were.

Personal responsibility, how does it work?

Not the point. Of course the players should be responsible. But many are not. People vary in their desire to work. An employer should be able to force them all to work out to the same minimum level by requiring attendance at an offseason conditioning program. The union negotiates a 50% decrease in the duration of the program, thus leaving it to the players individually to get themselves in shape. The employer can no longer force them. It is clearly the union's fault that the team can no longer force players to attend the program for a sufficient length of time to guarantee that the players will be in shape by the time the season starts.

good workout shape and game shape is different. anyone who has actually played a sport at a high level knows this, denying that the lockout had an effect, two a days and hitting in practice, is ignorant.

"cdz12250 wrote:

Not the point. Of course the players should be responsible. But many are not. People vary in their desire to work. An employer should be able to force them all to work out to the same minimum level by requiring attendance at an offseason conditioning program. The union negotiates a 50% decrease in the duration of the program, thus leaving it to the players individually to get themselves in shape. The employer can no longer force them. It is clearly the union's fault that the team can no longer force players to attend the program for a sufficient length of time to guarantee that the players will be in shape by the time the season starts.

And exactly none of that mattered because the players were all locked out, and no communication could occur between the team and players. At that point in time, it is 100% the player responsibility to get themselves in shape. They can blame the union, or coaches, or whatever they want, but ultimately it is up to them.