At this point in the NFL a GM should be given three years to obtain the kind of quarterback needed to win a Super Bowl and then be fired if he cannot.

 

That was really the main reason to root for Harbaugh getting the job. He wouldn’t have put up with Grier’s personnel decisions.

 

You know what is crazy? All of this crazy stuff, none of it would be happening had they picked Herbert over Tua. None of it. Totally crazy.
Ross and Grier......:gun_bandana:

 

Exactly why he wasn’t going to interview here Ross has sold out this franchise to keep a half *** GM.

 

I'm not a fan of Grier, but that statement is over the top. Most teams don't have a high end QB. A lot of drafts, there just isn't one to be had, or if there is, he's the first pick. The rest of the team matters, obviously.

Grier has made a lot of mistakes, and I hate that nearly all of the important people in our front office have been with the team for ages. Some of them for more than twenty years. If the same people keep doing the wrong things, how do they stay employed?

But the QB issue cannot be the end all. That's too narrow of a view.

 

Great post hitman! My reason for not wanting to draf Tua is I didn’t think he had the potential to be elite and he can’t stay healthy. The crazy thing is not only did our GM pick an injury prone Tha over Herbert but he has completely failed to build a respectable OL.

Jesse Davis is part of the reason Tua missed 4 games this season. He was playing out of position because the RT had to move over to LT becuse the player we drafted at LT is the worst OL in the NFL. It’s almost comical.

Watching the AFC playoffs has made me realize we have no chance unless we assemble an all time elite defense.

 

Finally!!!! A few of ya get it!!! Fn Elway would be an upgrade for us...

 

We've had the most disgraceful GM carousel for the last two decades... Spielman, look what he done to Minnesota after he left us... Ireland... and now Grier...the NFL and NFLPA HAS TOO, it's no maybe or should, has to, set standards for a GM... These picks the three idiots would make... just be like, WTF are they looking at to invest such a high pick on turds... they can't even look at tape and make an evaluation... pretty fn obvious....

 

It doesn't necessarily have to be a high-end QB. It can be a Kirk Cousins-level QB for example, surrounded by the talent necessary to win a Super Bowl with that caliber a QB. The GM has to do one or the other. If he can do neither in three years he needs to be gone in my opinion.

One of the intriguing possibilities for this offseason is the prospect of hiring McDaniel and trading for Jimmy Garoppolo, who was the 5th-best QB in the league this past year in that system (albeit with far greater surrounding talent). That would be one way a GM could create the kind of team scenario noted above, if the requisite surrounding talent can develop or be obtained.

There are more ways to do it than just with the draft. A GM in today's game has to take shots at it like that if he is to survive. Tua could very well develop to that level as well, but the odds are against it. With Garoppolo you have a player who's proven he can play at that level and may develop even further in that regard.

 

Hell dude, if we going to go all in... talk to Brady... ya ya ya, he retired... pfft. That dude still wants to play... pay him, instead of putting picks into a trade for Jimmy G... get the real thing

 

I think if Brady still wanted to play he would do it with the Bucs and Bruce Arians, where he's already proven he can win a Super Bowl. I think for Brady the intent was to win a Super Bowl without Belichick just to prove he could do it, and now that he's done that he's officially done. There's nothing more for him to accomplish -- he'll go down as the consensus greatest player in history. Playing more now can do nothing but diminish his legacy, especially with a team like this that doesn't have the winning formula in place at present.

 

I believe that, in the right system with the right coaching, Tua is very capable of developing into a Jimmy G level QB. That's actually what I see his realistic ceiling as being. That's one of the lesser reasons I'm interested in McDaniel.

 

Ya, you're probably right on Brady. I still call him and see. I just saw Brady has that NFT business that is doing like 180 million in business already this year, or it's valued at...something that like...

He doesn't need the money...

 

True, but getting an elite QB is a quick fix for a LOT of team problems. WRs just okay? The QB makes them better. Running game struggles? The elite QB keeps the safeties back. Need to win a shoot-out game? The elite QB gives you a decent chance to do that.

Building the rest of the team and keeping them together (with age and free agency working against you) to win with a better-than-average QB is the second and less successful path.

 

I'm not a quick fix kind of guy. Build the best team that you can, and hope that you either develop one that becomes elite or some time have the chance to acquire one. But expect that you probably won't, and will have to work around that.

 

How many times has that worked in the NFL within the last 10 years?

 

It depends on what you define as worked.

The 49ers have made it to a Super Bowl and another NFL Title Game in the last three years without an elite QB.

The Rams have now made two Super Bowls and two other strong playoff seasons the past five years without a top end, elite QB. Both of their QBs were very highly drafted, but that's different than being subjectively one of the best in the league.

The Titans have made an AFC title game and two other strong playoff seasons the past three years without an elite QB.

The Cowboys have only made the playoffs twice, but they've had one of the top offenses in the league in most of the past six seasons without an elite QB.

 

I'm not sure you can define Jimmy Garoppolo as a non-elite QB. He's played two full seasons in the league and was among the league leaders in EPA per pass dropback both years. This past year he was 5th in the league in that regard, ahead of Allen, Burrow, Herbert, and Murray. In his other seasons he's played more sparingly but played fairly well nonetheless. He's never had a full season of even average play in his career.

 

I would probably rate Jimmy G as a third tier QB, when healthy.

Elite would be guys like Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, ect. The very best of the best.

Second tier would be guys like Matt Ryan, Josh Allen, Russell Wilson, ect. You could argue that this is where Tannehill and Stafford would be at their best, but those guys could also be third tier.

Then I have guys like Jimmy G, Prescott, Derek Carr ect as the next level. This is also where I think that Tua's ceiling is. Put a good good group around him with good coaching, and you can get the job done. But without it, its not going to go well.

 

Its still hard to believe we drafted an injured and recovering QB rather than a healthy proto-typical QB in Herbert. Kind of like the Daunte Culpepper and the Brees situation.

 

That’s why I will remain skeptical until proven wrong about our new HC. Every 2-3 years it’s hey, look, we’ve got a new head coach that’s gonna solve all of our problems!

Meanwhile the same knuckleheads are making poor overall draft and personnel decisions and Bozo the clown is still up top.