DB's 1st Round Mock v1.2

Funny, evertime I see

31. NY Giants- OT Ciron Black, LSU

For some reason I think of Harry Potter...

No love for Malcolm Jenkins or Vonte Davis? Seriously doubt 1 DB goes in round 1.

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

No love for Malcolm Jenkins or Vonte Davis? Seriously doubt 1 DB goes in round 1.

Mistake, no doubt about it. Editing now...

OK, so why do you have Michael Oher as the top tackle in college and Andre Smith as the first pick?

No-one is going to pick Oher anywhere close to that high. And I wouldn't feel comfortable having Mark Sanchez in my top 10. You're also relying on a pair of redshirt sophs coming out to make up two of your top 5 slots.

"Boomer wrote:

OK, so why do you have Michael Oher as the top tackle in college and Andre Smith as the first pick?

No-one is going to pick Oher anywhere close to that high. And I wouldn't feel comfortable having Mark Sanchez in my top 10. You're also relying on a pair of redshirt sophs coming out to make up two of your top 5 slots.

Oher is my top Senior OT and Smith is my top Junior OT. I haven't posted any list comparing the two to date. So Im not sure exactly what you are talking about. I do like Oher more but Smith's stock is higher right now.

I dont like it either but Sanchez's stock has sky rocketed and right now that is how he is being looked at given how pathetic the Senior QB class is. Along with Stafford doing nothing to distinguish himself and I dont think Bradford is leaving Norman. I think both Maclin and Crabtree are going to declare both are losing their QB's and while both teams have weapons to help a transition their stock won't get much higher than it is now. And for Maclin the extra risk of being so much more than a WR injury wise makes this a smart jump. But its still very early, almost all of this is pure speculation as it will change 500 times between now and April.

I agree that Maclin and Crabtree declare

"RealDriscoll wrote:

I agree that Maclin and Crabtree declare

I don't know if they will, but I'd love to get either one.

"Stitches wrote:

I don't know if they will, but I'd love to get either one.

If we keep winning I doubt we could :lol:

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

If we keep winning I doubt we could :lol:

I would have thought the same thing, but all the WRs left at pick 32 this past year makes me leery.

"Stitches wrote:

I would have thought the same thing, but all the WRs left at pick 32 this past year makes me leery.

But there was no Crabtree or Maclin in the draft :wink2:

Hey we might luck out and Crabtree falls to us :up:

I would love to get a big target like Crabtree or Heyward-Bey.

"DraftBoy wrote:

Oher is my top Senior OT and Smith is my top Junior OT. I haven't posted any list comparing the two to date. So Im not sure exactly what you are talking about. I do like Oher more but Smith's stock is higher right now.

I dont like it either but Sanchez's stock has sky rocketed and right now that is how he is being looked at given how pathetic the Senior QB class is. Along with Stafford doing nothing to distinguish himself and I dont think Bradford is leaving Norman. I think both Maclin and Crabtree are going to declare both are losing their QB's and while both teams have weapons to help a transition their stock won't get much higher than it is now. And for Maclin the extra risk of being so much more than a WR injury wise makes this a smart jump. But its still very early, almost all of this is pure speculation as it will change 500 times between now and April.

You have a round 1 draft at the start of this thread and Andre Smith is the 1st overall pick. Again, why is Oher rated higher and yet Smith picked 1st. Makes no sense.

I don't think based on 4 games, one of which he looked awful, that Mark Sanchez is all of a sudden in the first round. It matters not what the quality of the class is. A mediocre QB made better by the surrounding talent is just that. If Oklahoma win the National Title, I could certainly see a scenario where Bradford declares.

"Regan21286 wrote:

I would love to get a big target like Crabtree or Heyward-Bey.

I never have been more certain about anything in my life when I say that Miami WILL NOT draft Heyward-Bey in round 1.

"Boomer wrote:

You have a round 1 draft at the start of this thread and Andre Smith is the 1st overall pick. Again, why is Oher rated higher and yet Smith picked 1st. Makes no sense.

I don't think based on 4 games, one of which he looked awful, that Mark Sanchez is all of a sudden in the first round. It matters not what the quality of the class is. A mediocre QB made better by the surrounding talent is just that. If Oklahoma win the National Title, I could certainly see a scenario where Bradford declares.

Because Mock Drafts are not based my rating system they are supposed to be based on accuracy. I could do it with my own opinions where I would switch Oher and Smith, and drop Sanchez a good bit, also raise Curry, Gresham, and have more WR's going in Round 1. Also I still don't understand where you are basing your statement that I have rated or ranked Oher higher. I never have, I dont combine Juniors into the class till they declare ranking wise. I rank them sepereately. Maybe you are confusing me with somebody else. I have never once ranked Oher over Smith, thats not to say I wont, but I just haven't yet. To do so at this point imo is somewhat futile.

Which game did Sanchez look awful in exactly? He's thrown at least 3 TD's in every game this year and never more than 1 INT. He's completed over 60% in every game also.I watched him play v. Oregon State, Oregon and Ohio State and he did not look horrible in any of those games. He didnt look great v. Oregon State and that last pass he threw was a stupid one but young players are going to make those mistakes and force plays. It happens to even the best players.

"Boomer wrote:

I never have been more certain about anything in my life when I say that Miami WILL NOT draft Heyward-Bey in round 1.

Why so certain?

"DraftBoy wrote:

Why so certain?

Not with this FO :lol:

I won't be suprised if this year, again our draft will be made of more than 50% linemen.
I can see us drafting a LB or two.
A corner, definitely a corner, or a safety.
Im not a big draft genious, but i doubt we will be picking a WR in first three rounds, unless somebody makes a ridicilous fall, or FO will snatch a hurt player (kinda like Merling) that will ball out.

Agreed, perhaps a LB or CB in round 1.

"DraftBoy wrote:

Because Mock Drafts are not based my rating system they are supposed to be based on accuracy. I could do it with my own opinions where I would switch Oher and Smith, and drop Sanchez a good bit, also raise Curry, Gresham, and have more WR's going in Round 1. Also I still don't understand where you are basing your statement that I have rated or ranked Oher higher. I never have, I dont combine Juniors into the class till they declare ranking wise. I rank them sepereately. Maybe you are confusing me with somebody else. I have never once ranked Oher over Smith, thats not to say I wont, but I just haven't yet. To do so at this point imo is somewhat futile.

Which game did Sanchez look awful in exactly? He's thrown at least 3 TD's in every game this year and never more than 1 INT. He's completed over 60% in every game also.I watched him play v. Oregon State, Oregon and Ohio State and he did not look horrible in any of those games. He didnt look great v. Oregon State and that last pass he threw was a stupid one but young players are going to make those mistakes and force plays. It happens to even the best players.

Surely you go with the courage of your convictions. You rate Oher more highly and yet you bow to outside influences and put Smith top. Seems a very odd way to do a mock. As an aside, Michael Oher will struggle hugely to go as high as you predict, given his past. There is a golf course full of red flags about Mike and teams will absolutely not want to give him Jake Long money, regardless of his current familial situation. That and the fact that he's struggled consistently.

You stick with your rating of Sanchez, that's fine. He's an average QB running a pro style system that accentuates his talent because of what he has around him.

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

Agreed, perhaps a LB or CB in round 1

We will absolutely not draft a CB in the first round. Of that I'm positively certain.

As for this mock, there's a couple of selections that quite frankly don't make a whole lot of sense to me. Phil Savage going RB in Cleveland who are in dire need of ILB help, have DE depth issues and only one reliable pass rusher? Can't fathom that pick. Detroit going CB despite having the worst trenches in the business? I mean, yeah, it's Detroit, but c'mon. Houston going DL early yet again, I don't see either and if Al Davis goes OT after the whole Gallery fiasco I'll be shocked. Not Al Davis style.

"DraftBoy wrote:

Why so certain?

Firstly, Ireland won't draft a WR in round 1 and more importantly, they don't need another project which is what DHB is.

"Boomer wrote:

Surely you go with the courage of your convictions. You rate Oher more highly and yet you bow to outside influences and put Smith top. Seems a very odd way to do a mock. As an aside, Michael Oher will struggle hugely to go as high as you predict, given his past. There is a golf course full of red flags about Mike and teams will absolutely not want to give him Jake Long money, regardless of his current familial situation. That and the fact that he's struggled consistently.

You stick with your rating of Sanchez, that's fine. He's an average QB running a pro style system that accentuates his talent because of what he has around him.

I still don't understand your point about Oher and Smith and you are basing it off what that I have wrote. I have produced nothing that says Oher is better than Smith nor will be.

Also what is the point of a Mock you produce? Mine is to be accurate. If I wanted it to be everything I liked, Id make sure Curry feel to Buffalo and Greshman to us in Round 2. But that would be stupid of me.

I never said Sanchez was a great QB, I asked you what game you thought he looked terrible in, which you still have not answered. Also many average QB's have succeeded in the NFL, some even have won Super Bowls. Him running a pro style offense now is a huge benefit to him.

"DraftBoy wrote:

I still don't understand your point about Oher and Smith and you are basing it off what that I have wrote. I have produced nothing that says Oher is better than Smith nor will be.

Also what is the point of a Mock you produce? Mine is to be accurate. If I wanted it to be everything I liked, Id make sure Curry feel to Buffalo and Greshman to us in Round 2. But that would be stupid of me.

I never said Sanchez was a great QB, I asked you what game you thought he looked terrible in, which you still have not answered. Also many average QB's have succeeded in the NFL, some even have won Super Bowls. Him running a pro style offense now is a huge benefit to him.

Jesus dude, you're making this much more difficult than it has to be. Did you or did you not write:

I do like Oher more but Smith's stock is higher right now

Mock drafts are about how you feel. You clearly rate Oher as the better prospect so have the courage of your convictions to go with that, especially almost a year away from the draft.

Is Sanchez running that pro style offense as handy as it turned out for John David Booty? He was very average in the Oregon State defeat.

"Vendigo wrote:

We will absolutely not draft a CB in the first round. Of that I'm positively certain.

As for this mock, there's a couple of selections that quite frankly don't make a whole lot of sense to me. Phil Savage going RB in Cleveland who are in dire need of ILB help, have DE depth issues and only one reliable pass rusher? Can't fathom that pick. Detroit going CB despite having the worst trenches in the business? I mean, yeah, it's Detroit, but c'mon. Houston going DL early yet again, I don't see either and if Al Davis goes OT after the whole Gallery fiasco I'll be shocked. Not Al Davis style.

One of the big differences in Cleveland between this year and last is that Jammal Lewis hasnt been nearly as productive. Wells (and Quinn) would possible give that offense the boost and burst it needs to put points up on the board. That D isnt 1-2 player away from shutting people out, but the O may be 1-2 players away from being really dynamic.
Detroits lines are truly horrible, but so is that entire team if we are honest. A lineman would make a lot of sense as thats always a great place to start rebuilding, but they could any number of directions.
Houston could easily go DL again. They want a player opposite of Mario Williams something fierce. They also need a CB horribly, but picking early with Selvie on the board he would be hard to pass on.

Al Davis is insane, god only knows what that lunatic will do lol! Though if Crabtree or Macklin are available, I dont see them being passed by. :up:

"Boomer wrote:

Jesus dude, you're making this much more difficult than it has to be. Did you or did you not write:

Mock drafts are about how you feel. You clearly rate Oher as the better prospect so have the courage of your convictions to go with that, especially almost a year away from the draft.

Is Sanchez running that pro style offense as handy as it turned out for John David Booty? He was very average in the Oregon State defeat.

Im not making it difficult, Im asking you to provide evidence of your intial claim because you are misrepresenting my view point, because I have not produced any evidence. I do like Oher more than Smith, but that does not mean he is a better player. Still a ton of scouting work to be done, and film to be broken down. So like Ive said from the beginning, unless you provide some quote from me that has Oher clearly ranked above Smith, your point is a misrepresentation.

Mock Drafts are meant for accuracy not for what I would do as each teams GM.

You mean that same offense that produced Carson Palmer too? Average is also not what you first said you said he looked awful, not average. I would agree with average, but certainly not awful.