Deiter - New OL

He looks like he’s 12 LMAO

I dont know enough to have a strong opinion. Seemed like perhaps a tadp reachy, but fuck it, Wisconsin is like the one team that still produces ready to go linemen for the NFL level so hopefully he can impact early and put Williams and Oliver on their asses.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

He looks like he’s 12 LMAO

I cant unsee that now.

Over drafted, he is a liability in pass pro against top level Dlinemen. Should have gone in the fifth or sixth round. His cieling is solid starter.

Yodny Cajuste should have been the pick. He has an actual all pro cieling.

"hitman8 wrote:

Over drafted, he is a liability in pass pro against top level Dlinemen. Should have gone in the fifth or sixth round. His cieling is solid starter.

Yodny Cajuste should have been the pick. He has an actual all pro cieling.

I’m at a point where I’m going to trust our current regime until they prove that they can’t be trusted. If they liked him at that point in the draft then I say great pick.

"mlb1399 wrote:

I’m at a point where I’m going to trust our current regime until they prove that they can’t be trusted. If they liked him at that point in the draft then I say great pick.

Amen. There should be no reason to not give a new regime the benefit of the doubt/

Flores was up in NE, where they get seemingly anyone to plug into their line. Let's let him assemble a team before we criticize.

"hitman8 wrote:

Over drafted, he is a liability in pass pro against top level Dlinemen. Should have gone in the fifth or sixth round. His cieling is solid starter.

Yodny Cajuste should have been the pick. He has an actual all pro cieling.

He held his own against Nick Bosa at a position he won't be playing in the NFL.

We've already talked about you being wrong about his projection too.

"Disgustipate wrote:

He held his own against Nick Bosa at a position he won't be playing in the NFL.

We've already talked about you being wrong about his projection too.

You call that holding his own? We obviously have very different standards. He gave up a sack to bosa along with several pressures. He was also beaten several times by multiple players. He is lucky his QB was mobile and got rid of the ball quickly or he would have given up more sacks.

This is a very bad example of his pass blocking skills if that's what you were going for. Like I said he is a pretty good run blocker but his pass protection ability is very lacking. He will get regularly beaten by good pass rushers. The Wisconsin offense hid a lot of his flaws due them being a run heavy offense and having a quick hitting passing game. Unless we adopt that kind of an offense I am worried about his ability to pass protect against NFL Dlinemen.

"hitman8 wrote:

You call that holding his own? We obviously have very different standards. He gave up a sack to bosa along with several pressures. He was also beaten several times by multiple players. He is lucky his QB was mobile and got rid of the ball quickly or he would have given up more sacks.

This is a very bad example of his pass blocking skills if that's what you were going for. Like I said he is a pretty good run blocker but his pass protection ability is very lacking. He will get regularly beaten by good pass rushers. The Wisconsin offense hid a lot of his flaws due them being a run heavy offense and having a quick hitting passing game. Unless we adopt that kind of an offense I am worried about his ability to pass protect against NFL Dlinemen.

He has a good punch, and as guard he will not have to worry about as many speed rusher, if what I looked at on that tape is an indication of his overall play.

I see what CK said about him in space. A few times missing a block, and one time where he went for the punch and got punched instead. Should not happen against someone who he is that much bigger than. At least hold his own.

I like his hands a lot. I like his feet a lot. To go old school Madden, he needs to work on his butt. He relies too much on his hands and not enough on that big ole ass.

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

He has a good punch, and as guard he will not have to worry about as many speed rusher, if what I looked at on that tape is an indication of his overall play.

I see what CK said about him in space. A few times missing a block, and one time where he went for the punch and got punched instead. Should not happen against someone who he is that much bigger than. At least hold his own.

I like his hands a lot. I like his feet a lot. To go old school Madden, he needs to work on his butt. He relies too much on his hands and not enough on that big ole ***.

When I played O line in HS and college, I LOVED IT when a D lineman was much bigger than me. That meant I would get off the ball faster every time, make first contact and put him on his ass. Pass or run...it didn't matter, I just took 2 steps and laid him out. It was the smaller, more agile guys who were the hardest because technique came into play instead of just raw power/speed.

With that said, evaluating a lineman based on one game vs one of the best D linemen around is just not fair. He did hold his own while being out of position in the worst possible match-up....that highlight reel played to his favor overall.

"hitman8 wrote:

Over drafted, he is a liability in pass pro against top level Dlinemen. Should have gone in the fifth or sixth round. His cieling is solid starter.

Yodny Cajuste should have been the pick. He has an actual all pro cieling.

The biggest hole on the OL is LG, and Deiter should be plug and play there. He is very experienced at LG. Cajuste has only played OT. If you wanted to complain they should have taken Ben Powers, or Dru Samia, then okay, but not Cajuste. We'll see who turns out the best, and if Deiter busts as a starting LG, you can come back, beat your chest, and tell everyone how great you are. As it stands right now, you are not qualified to declare what the ceiling is for any draft pick. None of us are.

"hitman8 wrote:

You call that holding his own? We obviously have very different standards. He gave up a sack to bosa along with several pressures. He was also beaten several times by multiple players. He is lucky his QB was mobile and got rid of the ball quickly or he would have given up more sacks.

This is a very bad example of his pass blocking skills if that's what you were going for. Like I said he is a pretty good run blocker but his pass protection ability is very lacking. He will get regularly beaten by good pass rushers. The Wisconsin offense hid a lot of his flaws due them being a run heavy offense and having a quick hitting passing game. Unless we adopt that kind of an offense I am worried about his ability to pass protect against NFL Dlinemen.

He. Won't. Be. Playing. LT. In. The. NFL.

"KeyFin wrote:

When I played O line in HS and college, I LOVED IT when a D lineman was much bigger than me. That meant I would get off the ball faster every time, make first contact and put him on his ***. Pass or run...it didn't matter, I just took 2 steps and laid him out. It was the smaller, more agile guys who were the hardest because technique came into play instead of just raw power/speed.

With that said, evaluating a lineman based on one game vs one of the best D linemen around is just not fair. He did hold his own while being out of position in the worst possible match-up....that highlight reel played to his favor overall.

I also played online. I was the only 5'8" starting lineman in the league

"MrClean wrote:

The biggest hole on the OL is LG, and Deiter should be plug and play there. He is very experienced at LG. Cajuste has only played OT. If you wanted to complain they should have taken Ben Powers, or Dru Samia, then okay, but not Cajuste. We'll see who turns out the best, and if Deiter busts as a starting LG, you can come back, beat your chest, and tell everyone how great you are. As it stands right now, you are not qualified to declare what the ceiling is for any draft pick. None of us are.

BPA offensive linemen at our pick in the 3rd was Cajuste, we do have a hole at RT with jewan James gone and Cajuste would have fit perfectly there. I didn't like Samia but I would definitely have picked Ben Powers over Dieter. Much better pass blocker than Dieter and fairly even as run blockers. Although I wouldn't have picked either in the third. Cajuste should have been the pick. Patriots got a steal with him.

"hitman8 wrote:

You call that holding his own? We obviously have very different standards. He gave up a sack to bosa along with several pressures. He was also beaten several times by multiple players. He is lucky his QB was mobile and got rid of the ball quickly or he would have given up more sacks.

This is a very bad example of his pass blocking skills if that's what you were going for. Like I said he is a pretty good run blocker but his pass protection ability is very lacking. He will get regularly beaten by good pass rushers. The Wisconsin offense hid a lot of his flaws due them being a run heavy offense and having a quick hitting passing game. Unless we adopt that kind of an offense I am worried about his ability to pass protect against NFL Dlinemen.

Yes, absolutely. You're taking a guard playing him at tackle against probably the best DE in college football and what is very likely at that time a starting NFL quality player and he's allowing you to execute your game plan. That's a good thing, full stop.

I don't really know why you've decided you need this ax, but you're grinding it pretty funny.

"Disgustipate wrote:

Yes, absolutely. You're taking a guard playing him at tackle against probably the best DE in college football and what is very likely at that time a starting NFL quality player and he's allowing you to execute your game plan. That's a good thing, full stop.

I don't really know why you've decided you need this ax, but you're grinding it pretty funny.

It wasn't just bosa beating him regularly. He didn't give up at least 3 or 4 more sacks because the QB was mobile and got rid of the ball quickly. I am not grinding an ax, I'm just giving my opinion on Dieter. I have watched several game tapes on him not just this one and he has the same issues although to a lesser extent at guard. He has serious problems in pass pro against any decent pass rusher, not just bosa. The Wisconsin offense hid his flaws, they were able to execute because they run the ball a lot and get rid of the ball quickly when they do pass.

"hitman8 wrote:

BPA offensive linemen at our pick in the 3rd was Cajuste, we do have a hole at RT with jewan James gone and Cajuste would have fit perfectly there. I didn't like Samia but I would definitely have picked Ben Powers over Dieter. Much better pass blocker than Dieter and fairly even as run blockers. Although I wouldn't have picked either in the third. Cajuste should have been the pick. Patriots got a steal with him.

That is what's known as an opinion. NFlDraftScout ranked Deiter their 3rd OG after Ford and Lindstrom. Cajuste was their 8th OT.
We have holes at 3 spots on the OL, basically.

"MrClean wrote:

That is what's known as an opinion. NFlDraftScout ranked Deiter their 3rd OG after Ford and Lindstrom. Cajuste was their 8th OT.
We have holes at 3 spots on the OL, basically.

Look I watched three different game tapes of deiter, plus the senior bowl game and all of the senior bowl practices. I was not at all impressed. He is decent in the running game, but he regularly gets beat whenever he has to deal with a decent pass rusher. He is much better going forward as a run blocker than going backwards in pass pro.

I would definitely have drafted Ben Powers over him if we really wanted a guard, but I think Cajuste was the BPA olinemen available and he could have stepped right in at RT.

Yes that's my opinion, let's hope I'm wrong.

"resnor wrote:

Flores was up in NE, where they get seemingly anyone to plug into their line. Let's let him assemble a team before we criticize.

While I agree in general that we need some results before bringing out torches - and I am ok with the Dieter pick - NE has something we dont in terms of OL development. Dante Scarnecchia (or however you spell it).

"texanphinatic wrote:

While I agree in general that we need some results before bringing out torches - and I am ok with the Dieter pick - NE has something we dont in terms of OL development. Dante Scarnecchia (or however you spell it).

And he seems irreplaceable. They had to drag him out of retirement after one year without him.

I hope he succeeds, but some of that tape was dreadful. As y’all have said, good push in the run game, but very suspect in pass pro. Just my opinion.

And our oline hasn't played a down yet. When you are used to being in the basement the sky is the limit.