I don't think he will be there when we pick in the 2nd round,but would love to have him.Hard to make any comparisons until he gets his feet wet in the NFL.

 

Your thinking of the wrong guy my man. Crabtree is top 5.

 

Very tough to say exactly what Crabtree is going to turn into. He hasnt even played football that long.,..which could be good..or just as easily bad.

Agreed with my bro, he wont be there when we pick in the second, very very good chance he will be long gone before we pick in the first. :up:

 

Crabtree is a top 15 pick he won't be there when we pick at 25

 

He's probably not going to get out of the top four or five.

 

Yeah yeah, what do YOU know :tongue2:


Just kidding Alen, hows things going?

Tell me Capt stats, how do Crabtree's numbers stack up with Roy Williams (Detroit to Dallas RW)?

That is actually the reciever he reminds me most of in recent history.

 

Crabtree is the player who will go in the top 5, but who will take him, Cinci or Seattle is the uknnown.

Not a chance he makes it to pick #25, let alone #44.

 

Haha, man it feels like I haven't talked to you in forever. Hope all is well.

I'm not sure how his statistics stack up to Roy Williams as I don't know the specifics stats of Williams at Texas but I think Roy is one of the leaders in receptions and yards in Texas history.

I think that may be a good comparison. Hadn't really thought of that one to be honest. They both round off routes and both can get up there. Roy ran a late 4.4 though and I don't expect Crabtree to do the same as Crabtree comes off more quick than fast to me.

Off-topic note - Chris Mortensen says that the Cardinals are willing to listen to trade offers for Boldin this off-season.

 

I think if he doesn't go number two then he will go at number four.

 

I would not use their college numbers as a good comparison being that Crabtree plays in a crazy pass offense but he pretty much did what Roy did in 4 years in 2 years

Crabtree 231rec, 3,127yds, 41tds
Williams 241rec, 3,866yds, 36tds

 

if there were'nt as many potentially great left tackles in the draft he would be the unquestioned #1 pick, hes top five regardless and imo, the most electrifying receiver to come out since randy moss. hes as good as calvin johnson imo.

 

No.

 

I have to disagree with you on this one. He does not have the athletic ability of a Moss or Johnson. I'd rather have Britt or Nicks over Crabtree.

 

Nor does he run routes like Calvin Johnson did coming out.

 

I have not seen as much of Crabtree as others, but I have never thought of him as a Fitz type of receiver. I just don't see him going up and making the same kind of plays that Fitz made while at Pittsburgh. Crabtree is a talented receiver that plays in a pass-happy, gimmick offense so I also don't know how much we can go on stats.

Personally, I think Crabtree is a risky top five pick. He is nowhere near the player that Fitz or CJ was coming out of college. I don't know what it is about him, but I can't help but think of guys like Michael Clayton and Rashaun Woods when I think of him. It really would be of no surprise to me if Nicks ended up the jewel of this WR class. He's a bit unpolished as compared to some guys, but I think he has shown some of that Fitz, CJ, Andre Johnson, etc . . . type stuff. I see Nicks play, and I think "stud." I just don't get that feeling watching Crabtree.

 

Crabtree wont be taken in the top 10.

 

If he runs a 4.3 or 4.4, he goes top 5.

 

The one thing that both CJ and Fitz have that Crabtree hasnt shown is absolutely STICK on their fingers.

I remember the hi-lights of Fitz while at Pitt and same with CJ coming out a couple years ago. Many times, they made their prospective QB's look much better than they were. Throw it anywhere within a 5yard square and those guys are gonna get the ball.
I have seen much of Fitz since being in the NFL... Nothing changes there. Many times Warner doesnt even throw it too him or wait for him to get open. He throws it as soon as the DB turns his back to face Fitz. At that point, not many if any DB's are gonna beat Fitz to the ball...and he very very rarely drops anything....ever

 

I don't think he will he doesn't have that kind of speed.

 

That is what the Combine is for.

 

Yes he will IMO.

 

oh my goodness brother, wow, thats bold brother, i think we'll just have to see about that one...i do think nicks is gonna be a legit #1......crabtree is ridiculously good. kid was the best in the country when he was a freshman, remember, he would only be a junior this year. I respect your choice though.

 

I think Crabtree will be good, but he isn't as good as Moss or CJ IMO. If not for Kenny Britt's lack of RZ production TD wise I would easily prefer him over Crabtree. It's close right now though.

 

wanna bet?..

The kid is 20 years old and dominated his craft. does anyone remember the texas game. consistent play making ability, aggressive nature, strong human being..hand eye cordination that is off the charts....ive seen him catch the ball in tough situations without looking it in. Very gifted receiver, better then anyone in the draft even though they have two years on him.

 

easily you say........i cant even touch this one. i completely disagree bro.

 

I've seen Britt run better routes, jump higher (imo), and is a better blocker IMO. It's not like I said Crabtree was trash. I think they are comparibly fast, agile, and quick off the line. I thin Crabtree has better hands. RZ production is very important, so I do rank Crabtree ahead of Britt. But if I had the choice between Britt at like 25 or Crabtree at 5 (where I expect him to go, top 5), I can tell you which I would prefer. I think Crabtree is good, but he would be a much better pro-prospect IMO if he had another year in school. It would not surprise me at all if Crabtree took a while to pay dividends (not saying Britt will be great, I wouldn't be surprised if he was only marginally better than Hardy this past year either to be honest).

 

If he came out next year, he would have to battle Dez Bryant for the top spot, whose a fine player in his own right.

 

I know you dont think crabtree is trash, i see your point about relatively where they could go and the value that comes with that..However i think crabtree is a superior football player. Hes the next Michael Irvin IMO.

without knowing the facts i would venture to say that he put up better numbers in his true freshman and sophmore year then any receiver in history..dont quote me on that...also were not talking about some small conference this kid played in, the big 12 is one of the best. this was a kid, who looked like a man, playing with boys.

 

He played in an offense that averaged probably around 60-70 snaps offensively per game and threw the ball roughly 50 times per game I believe. He did play in a good offensive conference but I'm not so sure about the defenses there. With poor defense and a pass happy offense, he's expected to put up big numbers with that talent.

 

a great player in his own right, hey brother, what were the stats on their head to head the past two years?

 

Seein that me, you and stiches are chatting here during the superbowl, THATS THE REASON WHY ANQUAN BOLIN WOULD BE PERFECT HERE.....did u see the way he turned that sh@# up at the end and went for the 6...thats a mentality that cannot be taught.

 

Crabtree - 97 receptions 1,165 yards 19 touchdowns.
Bryant - 87 receptions 1,480 yards 19 touchdowns.

Stats from this year.

 

What do their head to heads have to do with anything? Or do you mean against the same defenses?

 

I wish we got Boldin. Mortensen reported that AZ would listen to offers.

 

nothing really, just curious what they did in the same game....

 

I didn't see the head to head part, I thought you meant season. Either way, they're both top notch pro prospects.

 

i missed that REALLY.. Why do i hate thinking about one of our young guys {bess, cammy, ginn} getting less playing time.

If you look at the cardinals on paper, they are a more talented team then the steelers...even on defense.

 

Against similar competition here is the breakdown from last year: Texas, Oklahoma, Baylor, Texas A&M

Bryant: 28 recs, 483 yards, 7 tds

Crabtree: 33 recs, 323 yards, 3 tds


For the record I thought Crabtree was better last year ('07), and I also thought Bryant was the best WR in the country for most of the year (had a few bad games, but he was their passing offense entirely it seemed).

 

And I'd love Boldin, but I really don't want to part with either of our first two picks for him. :-/