Does this change your opinion of Jeff Ireland? it does for me...maybe.
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Section126luxury_boxOPI had reported earlier this season that Jeff Ireland explored the WR market and that the two main guys he sought to acquire were Nate Washington and Jeremy Maclin.
At the time, I was told that the Maclin trade was a no go from the start.
I now have a pretty strong indication from somebody very very close to the situation, that the Nate Washington deal was D.O.A, but the Maclin deal was close to being consummated.
The compensation is still not clear, but I now have information that tells me that it was upwards of a 2nd round pick, and that it was the Eagles that balked when the Dolphins had agreed to demands.
This is what I wanted when they traded Marshall. This would have been a home run. I feel better knowing that our GM isn't completely clueless.
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padre31luxury_boxFailure to seal the deal is as bad as failure to me at least.
Have to close.
Dol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteranWell now I feel better about Jeff Ireland saying, "Just wait."
Holland is a huge upgrade over McCain
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HardKoreXXXNew MemberNot sure how I would've felt about a 2nd for Maclin. Wouldn't have been the worst trade, I suppose. His contract is up pretty soon though, right?
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Fineasluxury_box"padre31 wrote:
Failure to seal the deal is as bad as failure to me at least.
Have to close.
Depends on the price.
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Dol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteran"HardKoreXXX wrote:
Not sure how I would've felt about a 2nd for Maclin. Wouldn't have been the worst trade, I suppose. His contract is up pretty soon though, right?
Contract up in 2014
Holland is a huge upgrade over McCain
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DisgustipatesubscriberNo, it shouldn't change anything.
I think it was pretty safe to assume that Ireland did not desire to go into the season with only Hartline and Bess as viable receivers, and that he attempted to explore alternate opportunities after Chad Johnson committed career suicide. I think a lot of people rationally know that but choose to go with the emotional response.
I think this was also mentioned early this season that the Dolphins had explored Maclin and Washington as serious trade opportunities.
Disgustipatesubscriber"padre31 wrote:
Failure to seal the deal is as bad as failure to me at least.
Have to close.
There's no reason to make a **** deal out of a sense of urgency.
ToddPhinluxury_box"HardKoreXXX wrote:
Not sure how I would've felt about a 2nd for Maclin. Wouldn't have been the worst trade, I suppose. His contract is up pretty soon though, right?
Well, the Eagles rejected the 2nd so it couldn't have been all too bad, right. That would've been awesome to have flipped Vontae for Maclin.
GMJohnsonNew Member"padre31 wrote:
Failure to seal the deal is as bad as failure to me at least.
Have to close.
I'm glad he didn't seal the deal on Orton, Palmer, Kolb, Flynn, etc. And what happened to all the Ryan Mallett fans? He coulda sealed the deal on a franchise QB but he chose A Center instead. Typical Irish. What a bum.
MikeHonchosubscriberMeh.
Headcoach material wouldn’t want to work somewhere they’re not trusted with actual football decisions.
GMJohnsonNew Member"Disgustipate wrote:
There's no reason to make a **** deal out of a sense of urgency.
Sure there is. It makes the fans happy. We got Lamar Gordon for a 3rd rounder after Ricky retired. Gave the fans a warm fuzzy feeling inside. 65 yards on 35 carries. For the season.
ToddPhinluxury_box"GMJohnson wrote:
Sure there is. It makes the fans happy. We got Lamar Gordon for a 3rd rounder after Ricky retired. Gave the fans a warm fuzzy feeling inside. 65 yards on 35 carries. For the season.
yes, but over how many games?
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GMJohnsonNew Member"phinsational wrote:
Well, the Eagles rejected the 2nd so it couldn't have been all too bad, right. That would've been awesome to have flipped Vontae for Maclin.
Maclin for a 2 is a good trade IMO. Perhaps Reid balked b/c future draft picks are useless when his ass was on the line this season.
Now if he would have been close to acquiring Calvin or Larry for a 2nd I might be impressed, but can't find myself giving him credit for not being able to make a trade he wanted. I imagine there are 32 GMs that have tried to make a trade they weren't able to pull off.
GMJohnsonNew Member"phinsational wrote:
yes, but over how many games?
Over his entire Fins career. Almost as disastrous as Sammie Smith and John Avery.
ToddPhinluxury_box"GMJohnson wrote:
Maclin for a 2 is a good trade IMO. Perhaps Reid balked b/c future draft picks are useless when his ass was on the line this season.
good point
MonstBlitzforum_veteranResults would change my opinion on Jeff Ireland. Close only counts in...you get the idea.
GMJohnsonNew Member"AdamC13 wrote:
Now if he would have been close to acquiring Calvin or Larry for a 2nd I might be impressed, but can't find myself giving him credit for not being able to make a trade he wanted. I imagine there are 32 GMs that have tried to make a trade they weren't able to pull off.
How about Aaron Rpdgers or Tom Brady? He couldn't get them either. I swear Irish is straight gah-bage.
Eop05subscriberIt's nice to see he had a contingency plans in place after dealing Marshall.
Unfortunately, none of those contingency plans worked out (Maclin, Washington, Naanee, Johnson, Armstrong). And that's gotta be on him, IMO.
Although I'm upset with this failure from him, and see him in a more negative light because of it, I'm certainly not one of those "He has zero ability at ever finding a good WR ever ever ever" people.
He has found two pretty viable WRs with minimal resources in Bess and Hartline. Now, I'm curious to see what he can find when spending valuable resources like a 1st or 2nd round pick.
Dol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteran"Eop05 wrote:
It's nice to see he had a contingency plans in place after dealing Marshall.
Unfortunately, none of those contingency plans worked out (Maclin, Washington, Naanee, Johnson, Armstrong). And that's gotta be on him, IMO.
Although I'm upset with this failure from him, and see him in a more negative light because of it, I'm certainly not one of those "He has zero ability at ever finding a good WR ever ever ever" people.
He has found two pretty viable WRs with minimal resources in Bess and Hartline. Now, I'm curious to see what he can find when spending valuable resources like a 1st or 2nd round pick.
if it is true, it does hurt the opinion that he plays it safe.
Holland is a huge upgrade over McCain
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Eop05subscriberBasically, Ireland has only really struck out on one WR that he invested a prime resource in, IMO. That being Pat Turner.
He spent valuable resources on Marshall, who in the right situations is a top 5 WR.
I don't know why there's a belief that he'll automatically swing and miss if he tries drafting one early.
My Beef has and always will be his unwillingness to invest the semi-valuable resources at WR, particularly this offseason
"Disgustipate wrote:
No, it shouldn't change anything.
I think it was pretty safe to assume that Ireland did not desire to go into the season with only Hartline and Bess as viable receivers, and that he attempted to explore alternate opportunities after Chad Johnson committed career suicide. I think a lot of people rationally know that but choose to go with the emotional response.
I think this was also mentioned early this season that the Dolphins had explored Maclin and Washington as serious trade opportunities.
Maclin would have been solid, but Chad was way washed up.
Fin Dforum_veteran"GMJohnson wrote:
Sounds like you feel better now that you are no longer clueless.
Look, I think my stance on this whole Ireland thing is pretty clear and documented. I have battled Section more than any other on the Marshall trade. If he's seeing the other side of it, let's not bag on him for it and just be happy people are starting to come around.
There you all have it, I stuck up for Section. If I believed in souls, mine would feel so unclean right now.
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