Dolphins Acquire Tyreek Hill!

"KeyFin wrote:

I mean, Tua was a hair below average last season but folks also have to realize that he was getting the ball out in 1.5 seconds. That's blazing fast and nowhere near enough time for routes to develop. It's just how awful the offensive line was though; there was no time to do anything. Tua has done well with what he had to work with.

This season, he should have time to throw. And a great run game. And two guys that can bust a screen wide open. And intermediate passing routes. And confidence that he's not going to have his head knocked off in 1.5 seconds. Because that's the other part of this, he had the league's fastest release AND he was under pressure that quick- meaning receivers like Gisecki, Parker and Williams were never options. So what we're really going to see is the offense opening up and several of the top skill players in the league on the receiving end.

In other words, I think we see a lot more of that Alabama Tua, the one who never does anything spectacular but somehow keeps the offense firing on all cylinders. And that's all we're really going to need with a good run game, Waddle, Tyreek, etc.

"KeyFin wrote:

I mean, Tua was a hair below average last season but folks also have to realize that he was getting the ball out in 1.5 seconds. That's blazing fast and nowhere near enough time for routes to develop. It's just how awful the offensive line was though; there was no time to do anything. Tua has done well with what he had to work with.

This season, he should have time to throw. And a great run game. And two guys that can bust a screen wide open. And intermediate passing routes. And confidence that he's not going to have his head knocked off in 1.5 seconds. Because that's the other part of this, he had the league's fastest release AND he was under pressure that quick- meaning receivers like Gisecki, Parker and Williams were never options. So what we're really going to see is the offense opening up and several of the top skill players in the league on the receiving end.

In other words, I think we see a lot more of that Alabama Tua, the one who never does anything spectacular but somehow keeps the offense firing on all cylinders. And that's all we're really going to need with a good run game, Waddle, Tyreek, etc.

Hate to say it, but there is some truth to this. Especially Tua's major lack of arm strength, he can no way make those crazy off balance throws under pressure like Mahomes

MIA gave up allot for a WR who isn't an ideal scheme fit for their offense. Tua does not have good arm strength and cannot maximize Tyreeks strengths. This is going to blow up in MIAs face as Tyreek is know to be uber vocal. This a deal you make when you feel your a couple of pieces away from winning a SB and have a QB with a live arm. MIA just dug their own AFC East graves and KC can replenish their team with good young talent. That is how good teams do it folks.

"DFin68 wrote:

Hate to say it, but there is some truth to this. Especially Tua's major lack of arm strength, he can no way make those crazy off balance throws under pressure like Mahomes

MIA gave up allot for a WR who isn't an ideal scheme fit for their offense. Tua does not have good arm strength and cannot maximize Tyreeks strengths. This is going to blow up in MIAs face as Tyreek is know to be uber vocal. This a deal you make when you feel your a couple of pieces away from winning a SB and have a QB with a live arm. MIA just dug their own AFC East graves and KC can replenish their team with good young talent. That is how good teams do it folks.

At alabama Tua's YPA was 11.3 in his final year. Last year Tom Brady's was 7.4. I don't know... maybe he does have the arm. Maybe we just haven't seen it yet because the oline was pretty terrible. Either way, Tyreek doesn't hurt the team in the mean time. Worse case scenario we eat his salary after we cut him and tank another yr for a QB.

"plc001 wrote:

At alabama Tua's YPA was 11.3 in his final year. Last year Tom Brady's was 7.4. I don't know... maybe he does have the arm. Maybe we just haven't seen it yet because the oline was pretty terrible. Either way, Tyreek doesn't hurt the team in the mean time. Worse case scenario we eat his salary after we cut him and tank another yr for a QB.

Please don't tell me that you're comparing tua's college stats to Tom Brady's stats. In college, Tua was surrounded by all Americans and 5 star recruits. Other than 1 or 2 games a year, Alabama had a gigantic advantage in talent. Every Bama QB for the past 10-15 years has looked amazing in college and then go on to do nothing in the NFL

"DFin68 wrote:

MIA gave up allot for a WR who isn't an ideal scheme fit for their offense.

Our offense is going to have a whole new scheme so I don't know how you can honestly say this.

"DFin68 wrote:

Hate to say it, but there is some truth to this. Especially Tua's major lack of arm strength, he can no way make those crazy off balance throws under pressure like Mahomes

MIA gave up allot for a WR who isn't an ideal scheme fit for their offense. Tua does not have good arm strength and cannot maximize Tyreeks strengths. This is going to blow up in MIAs face as Tyreek is know to be uber vocal. This a deal you make when you feel your a couple of pieces away from winning a SB and have a QB with a live arm. MIA just dug their own AFC East graves and KC can replenish their team with good young talent. That is how good teams do it folks.

Dolphins offense is built around YAC which Tyreek is great at. I know the "Tyreek down there somewhere" highlights might confuse people but how did everyone forget that Tyreek broke out with Alex Smith?

"canesz06 wrote:

Please don't tell me that you're comparing tua's college stats to Tom Brady's stats. In college, Tua was surrounded by all Americans and 5 star recruits. Other than 1 or 2 games a year, Alabama had a gigantic advantage in talent. Every Bama QB for the past 10-15 years has looked amazing in college and then go on to do nothing in the NFL

I'm just saying there's plenty of alabama highlights showing he can throw deeper then he's shown at miami. Which means it isn't an arm strength issue (unless injury has caught up with him). And may be fixable.

"Galant wrote:

The Dolphins trading for Tyreek Hill sparked a big debate between the Tua Tagovailoa haters and truthers…

In this video (with audio), I’ll attempt to explain how each side is currently feeling about how well (or not) Tyreek will fit with Tua 😉 pic.twitter.com/YKSKrQUXXY

— Lawrence Jackson Jr. (@LordDontLose) March 24, 2022

LMAO, good stuff! Those punk ass anonymous sources....

"Tua Truther" may be the stupidest phrase I've ever heard.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

"Tua Truther" may be the stupidest phrase I've ever heard.

Well. It's right up there on the list.

"plc001 wrote:

I'm just saying there's plenty of alabama highlights showing he can throw deeper then he's shown at miami. Which means it isn't an arm strength issue (unless injury has caught up with him). And may be fixable.

What Highlights? Throwing deep floaters to wide open receivers? I have never seen Tua throw the ball more than 50 yards in the air, either in college or the pros. Even to do that he has to put a lot of air under it and give it all he's got.

Tuna does NOT have a strong arm for an NFL QB. That is pretty much an established fact. I don't know how anyone is still debating this.

"hitman8 wrote:

I have never seen Tua throw the ball more than 50 yards in the air

"hitman8 wrote:

What Highlights? Throwing deep floaters to wide open receivers? I have never seen Tua throw the ball more than 50 yards in the air, either in college or the pros. Even to do that he has to put a lot of air under it and give it all he's got.

Tuna does NOT have a strong arm for an NFL QB. That is pretty much an established fact. I don't know how anyone is still debating this.

Ignorant and misinformed as usual.

"Fireland wrote:

Tua CAN throw deep. Stop the hate! #finsup 🐬🆙 https://t.co/vOwuwG64r9

— Positive Dusty🐬 (@dustydolphins) March 23, 2022

If my math is right, that was only 49 yards in the air. LOL, sorry, had to say that.

"hitman8 wrote:

What Highlights? Throwing deep floaters to wide open receivers? I have never seen Tua throw the ball more than 50 yards in the air, either in college or the pros. Even to do that he has to put a lot of air under it and give it all he's got.

Tuna does NOT have a strong arm for an NFL QB. That is pretty much an established fact. I don't know how anyone is still debating this.

Here you go - 52-55 yds.

5:00min mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id=5_Ja2Dn8ugc;t=297

Love how you criticise the video for showing 'floaters' and then criticise Tua for not seeing 50+ yd passes. How many 50yd passes on a rope have you seen?

No one is saying Tua has a strong arm for the NFL. We're saying he doesn't have a weak or poor arm. But then, for some people, there's no gradation or middle ground, it's either weak or a cannon. Are you one of those or do you see that there's more that just weak and cannon? Or do you genuinely think Tua has one of the weakest arms in the NFL? If so, who would you say is comparable?

Tua's ability to throw deep is established.

He led the SEC in 2018 in deep passes. He showed his ability in 2021 to be accurate at depth. He just didn't throw many.
Do you take into account the fact that the offense didn't ask him to do it?

Plenty of people see the ability there, the problem is giving him time to throw.

Or maybe not. Maybe he's just a really, really weak armed QB. Right?

"KeyFin wrote:

If my math is right, that was only 49 yards in the air. LOL, sorry, had to say that.

nah I would give him 51 released at 1 caught at Bengal 48. I’m just being a d*** was a bit of air under it but was accurate hard to tell if he could have thrown farther if he needed to. We will definitely find out soon enough…..

"FphinFantastic wrote:

nah I would give him 51 released at 1 caught at Bengal 48. I’m just being a d*** was a bit of air under it but was accurate hard to tell if he could have thrown farther if he needed to. We will definitely find out soon enough…..

Dropped at the Bengal 48 to be technical. Because Jakeem Grant.

"Fireland wrote:

Dropped at the Bengal 48 to be technical. Because Jakeem Grant.

Boom! Hill would have taken. It to the house would have had more separation.

"KeyFin wrote:

If my math is right, that was only 49 yards in the air. LOL, sorry, had to say that.

It's wrong. From his 1 or 2 to the opponents 45/46. 53ish yards

"Galant wrote:

Here you go - 52-55 yds.

5:00min mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id=5_Ja2Dn8ugc;t=297

Love how you criticise the video for showing 'floaters' and then criticise Tua for not seeing 50+ yd passes. How many 50yd passes on a rope have you seen?

No one is saying Tua has a strong arm for the NFL. We're saying he doesn't have a weak or poor arm. But then, for some people, there's no gradation or middle ground, it's either weak or a cannon. Are you one of those or do you see that there's more that just weak and cannon? Or do you genuinely think Tua has one of the weakest arms in the NFL? If so, who would you say is comparable?

Tua's ability to throw deep is established.

He led the SEC in 2018 in deep passes. He showed his ability in 2021 to be accurate at depth. He just didn't throw many.
Do you take into account the fact that the offense didn't ask him to do it?

Plenty of people see the ability there, the problem is giving him time to throw.

Or maybe not. Maybe he's just a really, really weak armed QB. Right?

Oh wow, 52 yards, guess you showed me. Tua does not have a strong arm for an NFL QB, his arm is average at best, that's just a fact. And it's not just me saying it, his opponents and his own teammates say it as well. He can't make all the throws that other strong armed QBs can.

As for other QBs throwing long passes on a rope, I've seen quite a few, Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, just to name a few, and oh yeah Hebert, you know that guy who was picked right after Tua...

"Galant wrote:

The Dolphins trading for Tyreek Hill sparked a big debate between the Tua Tagovailoa haters and truthers…

In this video (with audio), I’ll attempt to explain how each side is currently feeling about how well (or not) Tyreek will fit with Tua 😉 pic.twitter.com/YKSKrQUXXY

— Lawrence Jackson Jr. (@LordDontLose) March 24, 2022

Tua’s arm didn’t look too weak in that little compilation.

I dont really see a downside to this tbh. Gives us play makers on offense and we get a year to see if Tua is any good. It's basically sink or swim for him this year. I think the only downside is his right side tackle will still be suspect this season. However, he has more than enough now to not be given excuses and truth be told the dolphins set themselves up as a prime destination if any qb gets disgruntled this season.