Dolphins are Rebuilding - Trade/Keep?

If the movement is to get young, why trade Howard and Drake? Both are young superstars. And if we trade Grant I swear I'll scream in my worst little girl voice (I'm a 315 pound man, so yeah....)!

You absolutely keep Howard. There is no reason he can't be a HUGE factor on defense moving forwards.

Rebuild doesn't mean everyone has to go. You try and keep your pieces that have future value.

I'm not underselling on guys like Howard or Drake. If someone blows you away (say, a pair of first rounders for Howard), then sure you make the move. Otherwise, they stay.

Rather, we are going to see guys like Branch and Quinn getting the boot. We may end up with a lot of dead cap money this year, but if we can end up with a good amount of cash for 2020 and get a QB either this draft or in 2020 we should set up nicely.

Rebuilds in the NFL aren't the laborious process they once were. Clear out dead weight, stock draft picks, set a core and move.

Howard, Drake, Grant and Jones I would definitely not trade. We've traded away or cut too many key players anyway.

The others listed should go, especially Tannehill and Alonzo whether you can trade them away or not.

"texanphinatic wrote:

I'm not underselling on guys like Howard or Drake. If someone blows you away (say, a pair of first rounders for Howard), then sure you make the move. Otherwise, they stay.

Rather, we are going to see guys like Branch and Quinn getting the boot. We may end up with a lot of dead cap money this year, but if we can end up with a good amount of cash for 2020 and get a QB either this draft or in 2020 we should set up nicely.

Rebuilds in the NFL aren't the laborious process they once were. Clear out dead weight, stock draft picks, set a core and move.

Call me crazy but I'm not even moving Howard for two firsts. Maybe if one was a top 5 pick I'd pull the trigger.

With those picks you will be lucky to get players who even add up to what we already have. There is no age issue either.

You'd basically have to offer me the moon.

The only young guy the Phins should let walk is Devante Parker, and his contract is up anyway.

Howard must stay. We have a young pro bowler at a very key position. You don’t trade that.

I am so excited! I love the new direction of the team!!

"Not So Fast wrote:

The only young guy the Phins should let walk is Devante Parker, and his contract is up anyway.

I hate myself for saying this, but how much of Parker's lack of production came from Gase/RT? Would a new coach/QB make use of his size and skill? He has crap stats so you can re-sign him cheap...I'd keep him around and hope for upside.

Keep the young talent and move on from old/expensive contracts. Please please please do not move on from Howard! I want Parker gone immediately, we know what that princess is.

i think rebuild/ retool depends on the coach. If you get an older vet type of coach you might just want to retool. If you get a new young coach with little experience its probably best to blow it up and start over. At the end of the day though it will be the coach's decision I assume.

"KeyFin wrote:

I hate myself for saying this, but how much of Parker's lack of production came from Gase/RT? Would a new coach/QB make use of his size and skill? He has crap stats so you can re-sign him cheap...I'd keep him around and hope for upside.

You know? That could be true. Maybe Parker would thrive under a different coach. Good point!

"adamprez2003 wrote:

i think rebuild/ retool depends on the coach. If you get an older vet type of coach you might just want to retool. If you get a new young coach with little experience its probably best to blow it up and start over. At the end of the day though it will be the coach's decision I assume.

Grier said there will be collaboration, of course. However, he is the one in charge of the roster and Ross was very adamant about what type of players he would like to see make up the majority of the team. Obviously, it's going to take time and probably not something we can do in a year. There will have to be some patchwork done by signing an older vet or two or more, but the long term goal is will stay same.

"Galant wrote:

Am told Grier will control 53-man roster. That authority will no longer be given to the head coach. And Tannenbaum will no longer have any role in football ops.

— Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) December 31, 2018

To me then, that rules out either Harbaugh, and most other established or previously experienced coaches.

I'd be shocked if we don't end up like Arizona. A one and done HC, while we blow it up, and start over in 2020 with a better class of QB and coach candidates to work off of as alot of these current young inexperienced co-ordinators get more established and experienced to be considered for HC roles.

Time will tell, either way though, I suspect 2019 will be a rough year for us as fans.

yeah maybe parker will learn to catch with a new coach!!!!!

lol you guys are true dolphin fans if you think parker will get better with a new coach... the guy straight drops passes, that should be a simple catch.

Early quick thoughts... and I'm no sure on the actual contract status of any of these guys... more so whether I'd like them around or not.

STAY:
Howard
Drake
Ballage
Grant
Wilson
Stills (only because he can be a deep threat)
Baker
Godchaux
Tunsil

GONE:
Alonso
Tannehill
Parker
Wake (deal is up, right? He likely won't be re-signed)
Quinn
Hayes
Harris (keep him as an inexpensive depth body, but no second deal)
James

Everyone else, I can see go either way, or I just don't care enough about to mention at this point

"brandon27 wrote:

Early quick thoughts... and I'm no sure on the actual contract status of any of these guys... more so whether I'd like them around or not.

STAY:
Howard
Drake
Ballage
Grant
Wilson
Stills (only because he can be a deep threat)
Baker
Godchaux
Tunsil

GONE:
Alonso
Tannehill
Parker
Wake (deal is up, right? He likely won't be re-signed)
Quinn
Hayes
Harris (keep him as an inexpensive depth body, but no second deal)
James

Everyone else, I can see go either way, or I just don't care enough about.

I'd bring Wake back on a friendly specialist contract if he's willing.

Glad someone said Alonso. He's actually not been terrible, but that cheap shot attempt on Allen? Fuck that guy, get out, we don't need players doing that cheap shit.

Stills ... maybe see if you can renegotiate, but I do feel he is the kind of player that the team wants overall.

We shouldn't stop at firing just a few people. Full re-build means we need to start unloading all available assets that won't be around to help in 2-3 years when we may become relevant again.

If I’m Grier I call 31 other teams and let them know everyone is for sale to gauge interest.

If I can get higher value than I think my players are worth them I make moves..constantly evaluating, that’s the job.

The nucleus of this team should be:
Minkah, Howard, McCain, Tunsil

We should only be looking to shed older and more expensive guys. I don't think we should bounce someone like Drake, but I also think we should continue to draft RBs. I think that it is a position that we don't need to spend a lot in. I think Ballage will be pretty solid. For what it's worth, I like Benny Snell if he is available as a mid round pick.

I think Ross's statement is simply meaning that he will not bring in older free agents to fill out the team. He recognizes the injury risks. As far as guys on this team who stays and who goes I'd have to think about that and not shoot from the cuff except one guy.

Devante Puddin' Pop Parker.

Oohhh....another rebuild. Awesome

Honestly, I’m tired of trading away good young players because we’re rebuilding or they don’t fit the coach of that years personna.

Howard, Fitz, Drake, Tunsil, Godchaux, Wilson and Stills are a solid core group of players. Ballage, McCain, Baker and McMillan could develop.

What we need is to hit on a couple of drafts. One good pick at QB and a couple of good OL and this team can compete. It’s hard to truly evaluate how good or bad our defense is because our offense was so bad and couldn’t keep them off the field.

I think you continue to not go after the mega deal players and see if you can sign a solid to good starter at OL/DL and spend some picks at Qb, OL and DL over the next two years.