Dolphins being cheap or smart??

Personally I want them to get a player like Rolle! We are starting to be known around the league as cheap and eventually that is going to bite us. Perhaps it already does, I really don't read of any other teams getting FA stolen from them while we are hosting them like the Dolphins have lately.

there's a difference between bolstering your team for a Super Bowl run and just rebuilding. I think we are still trying to build the core. I think next year is when we go wild in free agency, assuming our draft picks pan out.

basically what you said. You give them fair offers, negotiate a bit, but you don't give up the future for it. Yes, to win you have to spend money, but you have to do so wisely. Not to aggressive, but not to cautious either. I'd say our fo has done a bit of both and has gotten burned, wilford, and possibly smiley and grove.

"Ultra wrote:

there's a difference between bolstering your team for a Super Bowl run and just rebuilding. I think we are still trying to build the core. I think next year is when we go wild in free agency, assuming our draft picks pan out.

This team would have won 10 or 11 games and the division in 2009 if it wasn't for GERBIL! We are closer to a Superbowl run then most think!

"flynryan151 wrote:

Personally I want them to get a player like Rolle! We are starting to be known around the league as cheap and eventually that is going to bite us. Perhaps it already does, I really don't read of any other teams getting FA stolen from them while we are hosting them like the Dolphins have lately.

They aren't cheap...Dansby contract is the richest ever, Long I know they had to spend the money because of the draft pick they were in that year....Carey if I'm not mistaken is right there as the top grossing RT's in the game....they do spend the money...I believe when they do find a true number one WR, they will pay him like it as well.....the last thing I would want is Miami to do what the Bears just did...

"flynryan151 wrote:

This team would have won 10 or 11 games and the division in 2009 if it wasn't for GERBIL! We are closer to a Superbowl run then most think!

I dont know if we would have won 3-4 more games if Gerbil wasn't there.

Keep in mind these players went somewhere else, and not always for the currently stated reason. They have a vested interest in not talking bad about the team that signed them.

Clark said initially the Dolphins offered more money, but he wanted to stay in Pitt. Not cheap on our part, a choice on his. He can't really say he used the Fins to drive up his hometown price, now can he?

Rolle is saying the Fins are cheap, cause the alternative is to say the Giants overspent. And if you look at salaries around the league, Rolle just got paid top 5 money, and he's not a top 5 guy on the field. But to say anything else would be to diss the team he just signed with. And we did offer $32M, which was way more than I expected. A huge deal for a guy who isn't an Ed Reed guy. But $37M is even bigger, so he took it.

In the end, players are free to sign or not sign. They make the choice on what is best for them, not the team. The team puts out an offer it feels is enough to sign the player, while not leaving them in a poor position financially in the future. If not for some prep work last year, we don't have the $$$ to sign Dansby this year. Same convo last year - we're too cheap to sign top flight players. Well, now we signed one, and the talk is all about how cheap we are? Come on, Dansby just signed the highest contract ever for his position/role. You pick your shots. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Remember Shula's last push? Major $$$ spent, very little in return. The team spent a few years purging salaries before they had any money to spend.

Just because Rolle thinks he is worth more doesn't make it so. Even though it is disappointing sometimes, I would rather be a little fiscally responsible and not pay too much for these guys. That way when we do find the right guys who are worth the money we actually have it to pay them.

I'd rather not take the Dan Snyder approach to building a football team, thank you.

"flynryan151 wrote:

This team would have won 10 or 11 games and the division in 2009 if it wasn't for GERBIL! We are closer to a Superbowl run then most think!

3 or 4 games because of one player
yeah he was bad but you are being downright irrational :up:

"phineas64 wrote:

Keep in mind these players went somewhere else, and not always for the currently stated reason. They have a vested interest in not talking bad about the team that signed them.

Clark said initially the Dolphins offered more money, but he wanted to stay in Pitt. Not cheap on our part, a choice on his. He can't really say he used the Fins to drive up his hometown price, now can he?

Rolle is saying the Fins are cheap, cause the alternative is to say the Giants overspent. And if you look at salaries around the league, Rolle just got paid top 5 money, and he's not a top 5 guy on the field. But to say anything else would be to diss the team he just signed with. And we did offer $32M, which was way more than I expected. A huge deal for a guy who isn't an Ed Reed guy. But $37M is even bigger, so he took it.

In the end, players are free to sign or not sign. They make the choice on what is best for them, not the team. The team puts out an offer it feels is enough to sign the player, while not leaving them in a poor position financially in the future. If not for some prep work last year, we don't have the $$$ to sign Dansby this year. Same convo last year - we're too cheap to sign top flight players. Well, now we signed one, and the talk is all about how cheap we are? Come on, Dansby just signed the highest contract ever for his position/role. You pick your shots. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Remember Shula's last push? Major $$$ spent, very little in return. The team spent a few years purging salaries before they had any money to spend.

He is the highest paid FS....

"Killerphins wrote:

3 or 4 games because of one player
yeah he was bad but you are being downright irrational :up:

Really how much did we lose to the Colts by? Remember the int he dropped? Remember 2 plays later GERBIL bouncing off Clarke for a 80yd td? Anyother safety tackle Clarke for a 15yard gain. Anyother safety makes the interception and takes it to the house.

How much did we lose to the Titans by? Remember the 3rd and long play from the Titans 40 that GERBIL had perfect position never got his head around and Justin Gage gets a career long TD? Any other safety wither knocks it down or intercepts it

How much did we lose to the Pats by? Where was the over the top help on Moss?

Want more we are beating the Chargers 6-3 then the middle of our defense is exploited and Gates and Jackson go crazy.

Nice tackle and coverage he had on Gonzo during the opener huh?

Texans game he was sharp too

"finyank13 wrote:

He is the highest paid FS....

but not the best on the field. Overpaid.

I was too lazy to check out the other salaries, so I didn't want to say he was the highest and then get flamed when I was wrong. :lol:

Top 5 seemed pretty safe though, and I don't think he has performed to even that level.

"phineas64 wrote:

but not the best on the field. Overpaid.

I was too lazy to check out the other salaries, so I didn't want to say he was the highest and then get flamed when I was wrong. :lol:

Top 5 seemed pretty safe though, and I don't think he has performed to even that level.

Rolle is a cb to fs convert and made the probowl. He hasn't even hit is prime as a player let alone a FS he is well worth it!

Wonder what your thought will be when we see the deep middle getting torched again in 2010.

"flynryan151 wrote:

Really how much did we lose to the Colts by? Remember the int he dropped? Remember 2 plays later GERBIL bouncing off Clarke for a 80yd td? Anyother safety tackle Clarke for a 15yard gain. Anyother safety makes the interception and takes it to the house.

How much did we lose to the Titans by? Remember the 3rd and long play from the Titans 40 that GERBIL had perfect position never got his head around and Justin Gage gets a career long TD? Any other safety wither knocks it down or intercepts it

How much did we lose to the Pats by? Where was the over the top help on Moss?

Want more we are beating the Chargers 6-3 then the middle of our defense is exploited and Gates and Jackson go crazy.

Nice tackle and coverage he had on Gonzo during the opener huh?

Texans game he was sharp too

No one was sharp in the Texans game
we could have beat the colts if ginn doesnt drop the football
wilson led the team in tackles against Tennesse

get it

This is a team game and if you ever think one player cost you four football games you are being absolutely delusional and clueless
like I said Gibril was bad but you cant point all the blame toward this one guy
that is your witch hunt and your problem
i see where you are going here you are all upset and pulling a fit because we dint sign Rolle or Clark
get over it and grow up

"flynryan151 wrote:

Rolle is a cb to fs convert and made the probowl. He hasn't even hit is prime as a player let alone a FS he is well worth it!

Wonder what your thought will be when we see the deep middle getting torched again in 2010.

Ummm, he is in the prime years of his career, we pretty much know who he is now. I'm not in any way saying he sucks, I'm saying he isn't the best, or worth the most money of all FS in the league.

Would I like to see him here? Sure. But not at prohibitive price, and I think $37m was way over the top.

Smart.

"Killerphins wrote:

No one was sharp in the Texans game
we could have beat the colts if ginn doesnt drop the football
wilson led the team in tackles against Tennesse

get it

This is a team game and if you ever think one player cost you four football games you are being absolutely delusional and clueless
like I said Gibril was bad but you cant point all the blame toward this one guy
that is your witch hunt and your problem
i see where you are going here you are all upset and pulling a fit because we dint sign Rolle or Clark
get over it and grow up

First off don't tell me to grow up you don't know me and I guarantee you would never speak that way to my face! I respect your opinion to disagree with me and have not resorted to insults.

Football is a game that changes on a single play! The Ted Ginn play you reference was actually 2 him getting lost in the endzone in the first half and dragging his feet with 4 yards remaining and then dropping the ball at the end. Both of those plays would have been a mute point if GERBIL had A. Caught the int or B. Tackle Clarke like he was paid to do!

Last spare me any of your insight on what you actually think football is, how it is played, and what determines the out come of the game! Go ask Peyton Manning if he thinks the pick 6 he threw cost them the Superbowl!

In college I was a scholarship QB DII out of high school, then moved up to a MAC school with a full ride until multiple surgeries ended my playing days. That means I accomplished something 98% of high school football players failed to do. I will put my knowledge about football against anyone on this or any forum seeing how I have played at higher levels then 99% of them.

Normally, I'd be squarely in the "THOSE CHEAP BASTARDS!" camp.

But given that the contract Antrel Rolle got was horribly disproportionate with how mediocre he is...and given that Clark may have shot up to "fan favorite" in no time flat, but he is still a FS who plays like a SS (8 INTs in 8 years, anyone?) I think we dodged a bullet with both those guys.

The problem (IMO) with saying Gibril cost us 4 games, is that you don't know how the other team is affected by those plays if Gibril does make the INT, deflects a pass, or makes a tackle. Whose to say that the other team doesn't just get the TD on the next play, or change up their offense later. Or what if we get the INT and the next play Henne throws an INT. There is just too many 'what if's' to definitively say how many games Gibril lost us.

"Ultra wrote:

The problem (IMO) with saying Gibril cost us 4 games, is that you don't know how the other team is affected by those plays if Gibril does make the INT, deflects a pass, or makes a tackle. Whose to say that the other team doesn't just get the TD on the next play, or change up their offense later. Or what if we get the INT and the next play Henne throws an INT. There is just too many 'what if's' to definitively say how many games Gibril lost us.

I look at it from a players perspective and a leaders perspective. Let me share a story with you and maybe that will clear the air as to why I put a single game changing play on the shoulders of GERBIL.

My first start as a freshman in college, first game of the year. My first pass attempt, I attempted to throw a ill advised throw off balance to a slot WR on a 15 yard out. A throw I got away with dozens of times in high school due to my superior arm strength. Well the All-American senior LB picked it and jogged into the endzone. The rest of that game I performed flawless I was 22 of 30 for 301 yards 2TDs and 1int. However we lost 24-21.

After the game leaving the locker room the local sports reporter from the small town TV station covering the game stopped me for a interview. He was very hyper and paying me lots of compliments. My only response was are you kidding me my first pass lost this football game.

I owned up to it in the locker room, shouldered the blame and promised the team it would not happen again. Other players left for the rest of the weekend because it was labor day. I went to training room for treatment on my ankle, then to the cafeteria got my dinner togo. I hit the film room, I broke down every snap where were my feet? what was my body language? Was I telegraphing anything pre snap? I broke down every hand off, every play action, every audible. Then I went to every pass attempt, what were my feet doing? Where were they pointed? What was I doing with my hips? Where was my release? Was I starring receivers down? How was I moving in the pocket?

Around midnight a young Assistant Coach for DBs stopped by his office to get his recruiting plans. He saw me in the film room and ask what I was doing? I told him and his response was are you nuts ROOK it was one pass? Mine was it was 1 pass that lost the game and it won't happen again! I won him over right there, he sat down and broke down everything from a DB and safeties point of view.

More importantly when word got out of my dedication to perfection, I gained the trust and confidence of the upper classmen I was leading in the huddle!

Moral of the story?!?! 1 play can lose a game!

I really don't think the Dolphins would want to pay Dansby the big contract he wanted and made Rolle the highest paid safety in the NFL also. Rolle didn't care for whom or where he played as long as he got the big pay day. As far as Clark is concerned he just used Miami to get what he wanted from the Steelers.

"phineas64 wrote:

but not the best on the field. Overpaid.

I was too lazy to check out the other salaries, so I didn't want to say he was the highest and then get flamed when I was wrong. :lol:

Top 5 seemed pretty safe though, and I don't think he has performed to even that level.

I agree and it goes to original question...cheap or smart?? I say smart...

"finyank13 wrote:

I agree and it goes to original question...cheap or smart?? I say smart...

I say lucky; if they sign Clark, he's a straight-up repeat of the Gibril Wilson mistake.

And for the "right price," they would have, too. :rolleyes:

"flynryan151 wrote:

First off don't tell me to grow up you don't know me and I guarantee you would never speak that way to my face! I respect your opinion to disagree with me and have not resorted to insults.

Football is a game that changes on a single play! The Ted Ginn play you reference was actually 2 him getting lost in the endzone in the first half and dragging his feet with 4 yards remaining and then dropping the ball at the end. Both of those plays would have been a mute point if GERBIL had A. Caught the int or B. Tackle Clarke like he was paid to do!

Last spare me any of your insight on what you actually think football is, how it is played, and what determines the out come of the game! Go ask Peyton Manning if he thinks the pick 6 he threw cost them the Superbowl!

In college I was a scholarship QB DII out of high school, then moved up to a MAC school with a full ride until multiple surgeries ended my playing days. That means I accomplished something 98% of high school football players failed to do. I will put my knowledge about football against anyone on this or any forum seeing how I have played at higher levels then 99% of them.

Link??....

dude who cares if you played didnt play.....you out of all people should know it isnt one person, yes he made some terrible plays, yes Henne threw 60% of his interceptions in the 4th quarter, yes Ginn never got open or separated off any CB's, yes AA, and Crowder couldnt cover you when you were in a cast after all your injuries, yes the game clock management from Sporano was pathetic, yes Henning is better suit to run Princeton basketball than an NFL offense....I mean there are many many reasons they lost, they simply were not good enough....period....hence those guys are gone....you could literally take all the plays in all the games AA, Wilson, and Porter didn't make in all their loses and guaranteed you could say that was the reason they lost the game.....but it is foolish....they weren't good enough