Dolphins coaches ‘handcuffed’ defensive players in 2015, Michael Thomas says

Some of us were talking about how fraudulent our defense was going back two seasons. I was mocked for saying they were highly overrated, our stats were greatly skewed by games like the 40+ point shutout of San Diego and the drubbing we gave the Texans.

rememeber coyle saying he was gonna scale down the defense instead of moving forward..prolly not a good sign when you say that.

That really sucked. Why do coaches keep up with such losing approaches? Are they really that stubborn to not explore adjustments??

This year it was too vanilla.

Next year the excuse will be "too complex" again.

The excuse machine goes 'round and 'round.

I remember last off-season that Phlibin was quoted as saying the defense was going to be simplified for the younger players. I felt queasy when I read that at the time,

"djphinfan wrote:

rememeber coyle saying he was gonna scale down the defense instead of moving forward..prolly not a good sign when you say that.

Yeah no doubt. He said he was going to simplify the defense. In reality, he watered it now. Vanilla is far from the right word to describe the defense the past few years.

My gosh, with all of these players getting handcuffed, I'm surprised the Miami Dolphins alternate uniforms weren't striped prison garbs.

"Silverphin wrote:

My gosh, with all of these players getting handcuffed, I'm surprised the Miami Dolphins alternate uniforms weren't striped prison garbs.

or gimpsuits

"resnor wrote:

Some of us were talking about how fraudulent our defense was going back two seasons. I was mocked for saying they were highly overrated, our stats were greatly skewed by games like the 40+ point shutout of San Diego and the drubbing we gave the Texans.

I love how people want to selectively ignore great games because they skew our stats, but will focus on the crappiest games on the other end of the spectrum that skew them in the opposite direction

"Rock Sexton wrote:

This year it was too vanilla.

Next year the excuse will be "too complex" again.

The excuse machine goes 'round and 'round.

For whom? The coaches that got fired?

"Ohio Fanatic wrote:

I love how people want to selectively ignore great games because they skew our stats, but will focus on the crappiest games on the other end of the spectrum that skew them in the opposite direction

I'm not ignoring. But, pointing at a game like San Diego as proof that our defense wasn't garbage, is silly. When a defense gives up 30+ in a bunch of games, and routinely gives up more than 25, it's safe to say they aren't that good, despite shutting out a bad team.

The Dolphins defense has been seemingly unable to stop third downs when it mattered, even in third and more than 10. The defense routinely allowed teams to march down the field in the 4th quarter. These were things that told me the defense was not good. I brought up the San Diego thing because that was a game people pointed to in an effort to contradict me. Further, shutting out a team was such an aberration for our defense that yes, it certainly did skew the points allowed stats, and other stats. Much like the Texans game skewed for the offense.

"Sceeto wrote:

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When Coyle was here, I was always surprised the pass he kind of got from people. I would here so many complaints about the other coaches and deservedly so, but not so much about Coyle. The D just collapsed so many times and at the most inopportune times. It did seem vanilla. Part of it was just the bad talent. I always say talent reigns supreme, but the approach with the D did seem weak. Just some improvement there will go a long way to helping the whole team get a lot better. Preserve our lead, how little it may be. Without an improved D, it won't matter who the QB is now. Come on VJ!!

I remember the complaints being that the defense was too complicated or something and that that was the reason why Coyle had to go last year. The players need to get their damn story straight.

"bakedmatt wrote:

I remember the complaints being that the defense was too complicated or something and that that was the reason why Coyle had to go last year. The players need to get their damn story straight.

exactly, thought the players were upset cause they just wanted to play and not have to think....................sigh thinks get twisted to match the excuses.

The way I read what Thomas said with this "... It wasn't all our defensive coaches. We had to work with what we had." is that we had bad talent.

The logic on this site:

- Players complain about coaches costing us games? They're full of crap and making excuses.
- A player's wife complains about the QB? See, see, see, we told you Thill sucks and everyone hates him.

"ForgotMahArrows wrote:

That really sucked. Why do coaches keep up with such losing approaches? Are they really that stubborn to not explore adjustments??

usally they dumb down the defense when you got players you do not trust / believe in. If that is the case I blame the GM down for not getting players to fit the system they were supposed to run.

"Fin D wrote:

The logic on this site:

- Players complain about coaches costing us games? They're full of crap and making excuses.
- A player's wife complains about the QB? See, see, see, we told you Thill sucks and everyone hates him.

Miko Grimes was one of the most reviled figures on this board. The consensus of that was more than that of global warming. The logic of this site is that she is an idiot.

I love you assigning the thoughts of the fringe to the whole site though.

"jdang307 wrote:

Miko Grimes was one of the most reviled figures on this board. The consensus of that was more than that of global warming. The logic of this site is that she is an idiot.

I love you assigning the thoughts of the fringe to the whole site though.

I love that you pretend people didn't use that to say the team lost faith Thill.

"bakedmatt wrote:

I remember the complaints being that the defense was too complicated or something and that that was the reason why Coyle had to go last year. The players need to get their damn story straight.

Right, but there's more than the two categories of just "too complex and "too simple".

"bakedmatt wrote:

I remember the complaints being that the defense was too complicated or something and that that was the reason why Coyle had to go last year. The players need to get their damn story straight.

Well, as I mentioned, I feel talent always reigns supreme. We'll never know the complete truth for sure, but one thing is for sure and that's there was just so much dysfunction with the staff and the players. In the Tanne threads, it's how some loved Lazor and some hated him and who was to blame for one another, etc. Now, you have similar issue with the D staff and players. The bigger picture is that the constant changing staff was just a dysfunctional mess. Here's hoping for a more cohesive unit.

"Fin D wrote:

The logic on this site:

- Players complain about coaches costing us games? They're full of crap and making excuses.
- A player's wife complains about the QB? See, see, see, we told you Thill sucks and everyone hates him.

Pretty sure this is not the case. Painting with a shotgun with those statements.

"Samphin wrote:

Pretty sure this is not the case. Painting with a shotgun with those statements.

You haven't been paying attention then.

"Samphin wrote:

Pretty sure this is not the case. Painting with a shotgun with those statements.

Yeah...certain posters certainly seem to have that logic.

"Fin D wrote:

You haven't been paying attention then.

The overwhelming and VAST majority of posters do not think that way...not even in this very thread as most response tend to be on the side of the players, or at least, Michael Thomas and his comments.

As for Miko...again, the overwhelming majority of people dismissed her and her comments. To classify this board, or any other as anything else than that is just flat out incorrect and wrong.