That is Philbins fault

 

No it ain't. The problem is that there aren't sufficient leaders among the players who keep the team focused on longer-term goals. Philbin can't "program" players. The players have to do that with themselves and each other.

 

Disturbing statement. This team is not good enough to be complacent and they should know it .Anyone in the NFL can beat anyone else on any given day.

 

It is the head coaches responsibility to motivate his players to perform at their highest level each and every sunday. When they underachieve it is a coaching failure.

 

After a certain point though, you can only do so much to motivate guys. If they don't buy in to it, then what else do you want?

 

Its partly coaching and partly the makeup of the team. This roster is short on talent and short on leadership. That falls at the feet of the GM.

 

This just leads back to the shell game argument of who is to blame for a team failing to succeed.

 

"Philbin said the main goal with Tannehill is to make him comfortable as a passer."

That is very encouraging to read, and answers some concerns I was having.

The complacency..all I got to say is, Who the fu$$ do you think you are, and what have the hell have you accomplished to let yourself get to that mindset.."

They just took everything that we thought about them after the jet game, and threw it out the window.

Don't give me their this young team either...Solai..Wake..Starks..Dansby..Burnett..Smith..Clemons..MCD..Pouncey..Jake fu&$in Long, Rich..Reggie..Brian..Bess..Fasano..Odrick, Misi..all vets..

Whatta a bunch of punk *** sh$&..Luck just beat your *** last week.

 

I don't know if I buy that quote from Carrol. We just lost the week before to the Colts and the defense played like crap all day there. How could they possibly be over-confident heading into Sunday when they had just lost.

 

Yea,

It is clear now that Tannehill is being instructed to stick in the pocket and keep his eyes down the field. Philbin is grooming him.

As to your second statement, I 100% agree. They haven't earned anything yet and I don't know why they thought they had.

 

This is and always has been a complete rebuilding project. Based on last Sunday’s showing, the tearing down part hasn’t been completed yet. This problem is deep-seated in the core of the players on this team. I think expecting a new staff to miraculously change the culture of a perennial loser in ½ a season is bit unreasonable.

For a player to come out and say guys on the team were buying into the hype of a few mediocre wins tells me there is still a long way to go. Hopefully, getting TBed in front of a home crowd will fast-track the project.

 

They kept it close and the media was still giving them props. I think this was just Miami overlooking Tennessee toward that big division game on Thursday night and they got punched in the mouth pretty hard. I expect to beat Buffalo and the forum's morale should improve over our mini BYE week.

 

This is the very reason that positive pub bites you in the *** every time.
Most of the fans love it but not me. What is said in the media doesn't do a thing to help you on the football field.
Not only have the players bought into this garbage but so has the fanbase.
It leads to utter disappointment to buy into such thing.

 

That's an oversimplification, IMO. A head coach can only do so much. Remember Wannstadt with the lobster traps? Sometimes the messages just don't sink in.

 

Why is it not a failure of those individual players to attain that level of motivation within themselves?

This isn't Pop Warner league here, where children need the direction and motivation from a coach/parent. These guys get paid millions of dollars and are playing with the goal of winning a Super Bowl. They shouldn't need a motivator.

 

Well there is nothing like an *** kicking from a bad team to shake out over confidence.

 

However the leader's job is to read the team and move them toward the direction. Philbin failed to read the team and lead them in the direction of playing well on Sunday.

 

It's the players responsibility to do their ****ing jobs, I don't need anybody to motivate me to do my job.

 

Well, increasingly there is data that is seemingly telling us that a teams mindset and motivation are very important to wins and losses and how you perform..

I think Philbin is responsible as well..That's part of being a great coach.

 

I don't agree..I think human beings in this sport, with this demand, must find other sources to tap into..

 

Its called having a young tem that hasn't played that well as a unit in many years. Sparano never saw a complete team performance as we have this year. I mean that in terms of competence, being prepared etc., the very same things we noticed win or loss in most cases. A team like that will read what people say, they want to be seen as being decent, competent players - not the doormats everyone thought they'd be.

If you haven't had success in a while, in the manner they have had it this year, it does take a kick in the *** to remind you how you got there. But yes there needs to be more input from players as to handle their business, the coach can only do so much. These are men, not collegiates, they leave, they don't stay on campus and this is Miami.

Its a hurdle they have to cross together, and if they do it, then look out, because a redication to the task at this point of the season could make us anything but fun to play coming down the stretch.

 

Sure he can program players, its called motivating. I think there is enough blame to go around, but the coaching staff certainly deserves as much blame as anyone IMO.

 

Im not on a witch hunt here. Im only saying that when you have a complete meltdown by the whole team as we saw against the Titans, that is a coaching failure. This wasnt about isolated failures by specific individuals. The whole team decided to not show up mentaly. Either Philbin set the wrong tone or he failed to sell it well enough to hype them up for the game. We have a rookie HC and he blew it. Im not saying fire him. Make no mistake about it this loss is on him.

I was also disappointed in hearing his post game pressers. He should of manned up and said the loss was his fault and then he should of called all of them out one by one and adress the fact that even though it was his failure he would not be letting piss poor performances slide and that there would be consequences for fumbles, falure to return kicks, stupid personal fouls, dropped ints, etc..... He should of took blame then lambasted all of them for putting him in that postion in front of the fans.

Im very anxious to see what shows up thursday night. I expect to see a group of guys who want to win at all costs.

 

Not to threadjack but, anyone know what happened with that "leaders counsel" from Hard Knocks? I'm hoping a regular Captians meeting at least?

 

You never mail in a hot summer afternoon or a Friday before a long weekend ? I do.

 

It's not good when 66 percent of that council is playing like sh&$, and the other might be carrying a grudge..who knows what's going on, things might get more clear 2 maro.

 

Fair enough. I just wonder about the communication. I find it hard to believe an entire organization failed to see a loss of focus/huger, being a little too jovial after the jets win, or just being complacent with being slightly better then people expected even when considering a soft scheduled. Maybe these vets aren't the Broncos pushing young players not to fall flat like years past but Philbin is experienced enough to know better.

 

It's human nature to react the way they did when you're used to being a loser. They learned a hard lesson and hopefully will be better for it going forward.

 

I feel ya man, my brain is rattled thinking about how this particular team, could get complacent..lol..what are their real goals as a team, wins in the regular season against average teams?

 

It might be called motivating, but I strongly doubt there is any head coach with the capability to motivate in such a way that leaves a player feeling "programmed."

Look at Rex Ryan. Is he a motivator? They're 3-6. Is Bill Belichick a motivator? They just had a dyansty.

This stuff is done by leaders among the players IMO. Inspiration is drawn from what the guy next to you is doing, not from the guy standing on the sideline with a headset.

 

That's precisely the issue IMO, and I mentioned it after the Colts game. There are no leaders among the players who have a sense of ownership of the team and who are motivating their teammates with those kinds of long-term, big-picture goals in mind.

 

"We at the crib today, we at our house dog, no one comes into our house, lets play like the ravens, lets play fast, lets play physical, lets play PISSED OFF!!""

Ray Lewis..

You paying attention Karlos.

 

Great point. Don't just play well yourself, inspire others to play better than they ever have.

 

I cant believe how much you underrate the value of a HC.

 

Well we all have our different philosophical beliefs, and no one will ever know whose are right.

 

Yup I was not trying to imply that my oppinion was more valuable then your own. I am just surprised by it.

Just to be clear: I do not discount your overall point that players can and should inspire not just thier own play but the play of those around them as well. I do you agree with you on that point.

My point and where we disagree I guess, is that when players fail to find that inspiration on thier own, it is the responsibility of the HC to lead them to it.

 

I think the players first have to feel like they're playing for a coach whose expertise gives them an advantage and puts them in position to win, and that gets them on board with the program, and then from there the leaders among them have to do the work of inspiration and motivation.

 

On a side note (but related one), I don't think it does the team any favors to emerge from the tunnel into a half empty stadium that lends more of a scrimmage type feel to the air than an actual game one, where as I've heard players around the league speak of the added adrenalin created by a packed home crowd, as well as psychologically feeling an increased pressure to perform at a higher level b/c of all the eyes on you, counting on you.