Dolphins get over the 85% goal

Even with this tiny fraction of people dying after taking the vaccine....they’re dying of Covid, not the vaccine. The vaccine just couldn’t protect them, likely because they are almost always the elderly with underlying health conditions or a weakened immune system.

"cbrad wrote:

Yeah, but they occurred BEFORE widespread use of DDT. Polio is caused by the poliovirus.

"Expectation" does not imply "guarantee". There is nothing wrong with the definition. Saying "used as" gives them a sufficient qualifier.

Instead, they use the word "effectiveness" to convey how likely it is to grant immunity.

DDT poisoning can mimic polio. Not to mention, polio was never a problem. Then, all of a sudden, in the 20th century, we have an epidemic of a nerve disorder, while using DDT everywhere. We stop using DDT, while simultaneously releasing a polio vaccine in the 50s. Now polio is gone. You say it was the vaccine. I say it wasn't. You say the government and it's agencies say so, so it must be true.

We aren't going to agree.

"Drizzy wrote:

Even with this tiny fraction of people dying after taking the vaccine....they’re dying of Covid, not the vaccine. The vaccine just couldn’t protect them, likely because they are almost always the elderly with underlying health conditions or a weakened immune system.

No, we're not talking about"vaccinated" individuals dying from covid. We are taking about people dying after having received the "vaccine," but they don't have covid.

"cbrad wrote:

Yeah, but they occurred BEFORE widespread use of DDT. Polio is caused by the poliovirus.

"Expectation" does not imply "guarantee". There is nothing wrong with the definition. Saying "used as" gives them a sufficient qualifier.

Instead, they use the word "effectiveness" to convey how likely it is to grant immunity.

"A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease."

That is the definition from the CDC. A "vaccine", by their own words, causes the immune system to produce immunity from a disease. It's that simple. Vaccines give immunity.

"resnor wrote:

DDT poisoning can mimic polio. Not to mention, polio was never a problem. Then, all of a sudden, in the 20th century, we have an epidemic of a nerve disorder, while using DDT everywhere. We stop using DDT, while simultaneously releasing a polio vaccine in the 50s. Now polio is gone. You say it was the vaccine. I say it wasn't. You say the government and it's agencies say so, so it must be true.

We aren't going to agree.

This isn't about agreeing or disagreeing. You're simply wrong. First of all, polio became a problem about 40 years before widespread DDT use so don't make it look like we were "using DDT everywhere". Totally false. That alone disproves your crazy DDT hypothesis. Furthermore, polio outbreaks continued long after DDT stopped being used. You still had 350,000 cases in 1988, over 16 years after DDT stopped being used. Now it's down to a few thousand per year, mostly in places without the vaccine (Afghanistan/Pakistan etc).

That's why I said the timeline doesn't fit at all. You're talking cause-effect when the effect came way before the cause, and the effect continued to exist way after you took away the hypothesized cause. Furthermore, you can prove the poliovirus causes polio, not just because some people got polio through the vaccine (early versions), but also because we pretty much understand the molecular basis.

As far as why polio became a problem in the early 20th century, it's paradoxically (for you) BECAUSE of better sanitation. People were no longer constantly being exposed to the poliovirus, which had conferred a sense of natural immunity. This is all well researched. You of course only care about conspiracy theories so you'll believe something else, but the onset of polio outbreaks isn't a mystery.

"resnor wrote:

"A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease."

That is the definition from the CDC. A "vaccine", by their own words, causes the immune system to produce immunity from a disease. It's that simple. Vaccines give immunity.

No it doesn't. "Stimulates" immunity does not imply it successfully causes immunity. "Stimulate" is defined as "to encourage development of or increased activity in". In other words, to say a vaccine stimulates a process does not imply it is guaranteed to cause that process.

"texanphinatic wrote:

Jesus we live in the dumbest timeline.

The Bills are going to have to hold separate practices for vaxxed and unvaxxed. And team meetings are going to be split. Their chemistry has a great chance of being blown to ****.

If the Fluufy Ho Jills don't want to get vax and take that risk, how much you wanna bet BellyCheat sends a few girls with CVD to party with players before their games? And if he doesn't...

"OwesOwn614 wrote:

"But, my body, my choice!"
NFL warning to teams: COVID-19 outbreaks among unvaccinated players could lead to forfeited games

2:26 PM ET
Kevin Seifert
ESPN Staff Writer

The NFL has added an additional COVID-19 vaccination incentive for players, threatening forfeits and the loss of game checks if an outbreak among unvaccinated players causes an unresolvable disruption in the regular-season schedule.

Commissioner Roger Goodell informed clubs of the new policy Thursday in a memo. The league has encouraged vaccination for players but has not required it, per an agreement with the NFL Players Association.

Instead, the league has set up a series of incentives. As of Thursday, Goodell wrote, more than 75% of NFL players were at least partially vaccinated and more than half of the league's teams have player vaccination rates above 80%.

Unvaccinated players will be subject to severe protocols during training camp and the regular season, including daily testing, mask-wearing and travel restrictions. Thursday's memo made it clear that unvaccinated players could, in theory, be responsible for the losses of games and paychecks as well.

The new policy drills down on a scenario that never occurred in 2020, when the NFL postponed five games and moved 10 others to accommodate outbreaks. A forfeit will be called in 2021 if all of the following circumstances occur:

• A game is postponed by requirement of government authorities or medical experts, or at the discretion of the commissioner, because of ongoing health concerns of an outbreak.

• The league can't find a suitable date to reschedule within the 18-week framework of the regular season.

• The original postponement was caused by an outbreak among unvaccinated players of one team.

The NFL was able to reschedule all of the games it postponed in 2020, but it's possible it might not go to the same extremes -- such as playing a game on a Tuesday or Wednesday -- as it did during its first pandemic season.

According to the memo: "Whether to reschedule a postponed game will be dependent on health and safety reasons at the recommendation of medical experts as well as considerations of stadium availability, schedule integrity, fan convenience, and other appropriate matters."

If the forfeit occurs, players from both teams will lose their game checks. The team that suffered the outbreak would be responsible for any shortfall in the league's revenue-sharing pool and also would be credited with a loss for the purposes of playoff seeding, with the opposing team credited with a win.

According to Caesars William Hill, if a game is forfeited, a wager for standard spread, money line and total wager on that game will be voided.

"These operating principles are designed to allow us to play a full season in a safe and responsible way," Goodell wrote, "and address possible competitive or financial issues fairly. While there is no question that health conditions have improved from last year, we cannot be complacent or simply assume that we will be able to play without interruption -- either due to Covid outbreaks among our clubs or outbreaks that occur within the larger community. These principles are intended to help inform decisions, recognizing that, as in 2020, we will need to remain flexible and adapt to possibly changing conditions."

According to the memo, if an outbreak among vaccinated players causes the postponement of a game, the league "will attempt to minimize the competitive and economic burden on both participating teams."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31863308/nfl-warning-teams-covid-19-outbreaks-unvaccinated-players-lead-forfeited-games

This suddenly got very serious for players that don't want to be vaccinated.

"cbrad wrote:

99% of COVID deaths are now happening among the unvaccinated.

I just gotta lol at this lie that is being propagated all over the place with zero data to back it up. These are the "science" people.

I know several vaccinated people who have been infected again. This is just cope for the vaxxed.

Breakthrough cases oh no!

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/more-than-5100-breakthrough-covid-cases-reported-in-mass-at-least-80-have-died/2435719/

https://insiderpaper.com/singapore-vaccinated-covid-cases/

By the way - those drug companies that you are not allowed to sue for these vaccines just paid out 26 billion for creating the opiate epidemic in America. These vaccines are different though, they are just to save the world!!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/states-announce-26-billion-settlement-to-resolve-opioid-lawsuits-11626890613

"KeyFin wrote:

This suddenly got very serious for players that don't want to be vaccinated.

Also pretty seriously considering stopping watching NFL altogether if this is the big brother shit they want to start pulling. Get woke go broke.

"aesop wrote:

I just gotta lol at this lie that is being propagated all over the place with zero data to back it up. These are the "science" people.

I know several vaccinated people who have been infected again. This is just cope for the vaxxed.

Breakthrough cases oh no!

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/more-than-5100-breakthrough-covid-cases-reported-in-mass-at-least-80-have-died/2435719/

By the way - those drug companies that you are not allowed to sue for these vaccines just paid out 26 billion for creating the opiate epidemic in America. These vaccines are different though, they are just to save the world!!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/states-announce-26-billion-settlement-to-resolve-opioid-lawsuits-11626890613

The death toll reflects 1.54% of the 5,166 confirmed breakthrough cases and 0.0018% of the 4,307,361 Bay State residents fully vaccinated as of July 20.

I see you on the opiate crisis but at the same time, a vaccine is not a highly addictive pain drug.

"aesop wrote:

Also pretty seriously considering stopping watching NFL altogether if this is the big brother **** they want to start pulling. Get woke go broke.

Got to love how vaccines are now being equated with being woke

We really are doomed

"invid wrote:

I see you on the opiate crisis but at the same time, a vaccine is not a highly addictive pain drug.

The people pushing it have a track record of pushing dangerous medication and being litigated successfully against. This time they are not able to be litigated against but we are supposed to just trust them? Even though no mrna vax has ever passed phase 3 which is the phase in which most drugs fail for safety?

They are immune from being sued so what do they have to lose? They have been trying to pass this technology through but have not been able to up until now under emergency use.

Spike proteins are dangerous whether introduced voluntarily or involuntarily. I'll wait for the Phase 3 trials to be complete to draw full conclusions (that's you people who have taken the vax).

"Fireland wrote:

Got to love how vaccines are now being equated with being woke

We really are doomed

Yes we are doomed because people like you are demanding 100% of people shoot themselves full of non FDA approved goo even though it looks like it isn't any more effective at saving your life than having a healthy immune system.

Maybe the people who ate McDonald's for lunch every day are the ones jamming up hospitals. It's unhealthy Americans and the elderly. Stop making this like it is the bubonic plague. US population grew by 0.58% within .02% of the previous 2 years. No one now dies from influenza.

Still hysteria being stoked for no reason. The hospitals are not overrun. There are no drug shortages related to covid.

People are cheering on the largest transfer of wealth in history. Yay Amazon! Let's shut it down again and completely destroy our economy completely!

Enjoy your shelter life.

"aesop wrote:

I just gotta lol at this lie that is being propagated all over the place with zero data to back it up. These are the "science" people.

Have to lol even more at someone suggesting the CDC "uses zero data". That's like saying there's a snowman on the surface of the sun.

Dude, don't let a mistrust of government extend to every government agency. The CDC is one of the most credible institutions out there.

"aesop wrote:

I know several vaccinated people who have been infected again.

Which means nothing. Have to look at overall statistics, you know.. "data", the kind people at the CDC actually look at. Stuff you've never directly seen with this disease — you're only getting second-hand reports while they look at the actual reports.

"aesop wrote:

Even though no mrna vax has ever passed phase 3 which is the phase in which most drugs fail for safety?

Most "drugs" yes, not most "vaccines". Vaccines generally don't fail in phase 3 for safety reasons because, as I pointed out, historically almost all serious side effects of vaccines appear within a few months of injection. You don't inject vaccines regularly like medication, which is why long-term effects of vaccines occur within at most within a few months of injection, at least when you look at historical "data" on vaccines, you know.. the kind you haven't looked at.

Note of course that vaccines can fail in phase 3 if results are inconsistent, inconclusive, etc., or evidence shows they actually don't work well. But not because of long-term health effects.

They want vaxxed fighting the unvaxxed. If it takes creating a literal apartheid between the vaxxed and unvaxxed to get an extra 1% of the population hooked on Big Pharma's vaxx, they'll do it because that amounts to millions more vaccine sales every year which will get reinvested into the government (through kickbacks, lobbying, and insider trading from all the multimillionaires in Congress) as well as in other big economic players through the money the hedge funds are making off of Pharma stock.

They have their attack dogs (the Covidians) ready to persecute people and businesses who don't fall in line with their schemes. And they want those attack dogs to be as vicious and awful as they can be, that's why I'm noticing a lot of propaganda recently blaming the unvaxxed for why you still have to wear a mask and why all of these venues are closed and restricted (i.e. shit like "you can't see a concert because people aren't getting vaccinated!") and accusing the unvaxxed of causing more lockdowns. Anyone who studies history knows this is exactly what communists did against "counter-revolutionaries" and the Nazis did against the Jews, that is, blaming them for the reason they aren't getting what was promised, and this resulted in all sorts of state-sponsored extrajudicial murder, arson, and violence against the targeted groups as well as a great radicalization of the people as they cried out for the government to put the boot on the neck of their opponents.

Be extremely worried about the dehumanization of their political opponents. It justifies things like how attacking businesses owned by unvaxxed scum is good or Karen-ing out and reporting them to the government for fines. This all means more money goes from the middle class to the elite. Any pushback from the unvaxxed will result in arrest and probably losing the business anyway since you'll be in jail. They've politicized this scamdemic in a way that opponents of these unscientific restrictions and decrees and opponents of the establishment are one and the same, and they're trying to see how much they can use their propaganda and power to deal with their remaining enemies.

And remember, it's all justified in the name of public health. Just as it's unsurprising that supposed opponents of totalitarianism and lovers of democracy like today's progressives would unknowingly become totalitarians, it's unsurprising these people would overlook the unsavory history of public health that formed an important part of Jim Crow, Nazi Germany, and all sorts of other awful societies. Or how public health went hand in hand with race-based eugenics and compulsory sterilization of many non-white women around the world. Or how "public health" was an excuse for many of the abuses that occurred regarding Indian residential schools in the US and Canada. But we'd never do anything bad with something like public health like those bad people in the past did!

"cbrad wrote:

Most "drugs" yes, not most "vaccines". Vaccines generally don't fail in phase 3 because, as I pointed out, historically almost all serious side effects of vaccines appear within a few months of injection. You don't inject vaccines regularly like medication, which is why long-term effects of vaccines occur within at most within a few months of injection, at least when you look at historical "data" on vaccines, you know.. the kind you haven't looked at.

I've addressed this a few times now. MRNA vax has never passed. I wonder why?

CDC is a joke and couldn't get anything right during covid.

"cbrad wrote:

Which means nothing. Have to look at overall statistics, you know.. "data", the kind people at the CDC actually look at. Stuff you've never directly seen with this disease — you're only getting second-hand reports while they look at the actual reports.

I work on a Pfizer campus that is producing the vaccine LOL!

"aesop wrote:

I've addressed this a few times now. MRNA vax has never passed. I wonder why?

Because it's new tech. Besides, if you look at interim phase 3 data on these vaccines you don't see evidence of serious safety concerns.

"aesop wrote:

I
CDC is a joke and couldn't get anything right during covid.

It's a joke you say that. They did the best they could with the data they had.

"aesop wrote:

I work on a Pfizer campus that is producing the vaccine LOL!

So have you actually looked at original data on adverse events? Don't mock what I said unless you have. Drug companies don't usually have that kind of data lying around easily for people to see. I've had access to some data on certain studies from drug companies and getting into their system feels like getting into Fort Knox sometimes.

"aesop wrote:

An mrna vaccine that never finished Phase 3 trials which is where most drugs fail for safety. Also they are immune from being sued so what do they have to lose? They have been trying to pass this technology through but have not been able to up until now under emergency use.

Spike proteins are dangerous whether introduced voluntarily or involuntarily. I'll wait for the Phase 3 trials to be complete to draw full conclusions (that's you people who have taken the vax).

There's been a standard vaccine that doesn't use mrna that's been available for months. I'm not sure there's a logical defense of waiting for Phase III trials to conclude when dramatically more people per day are getting the vaccine of whatever make you'd prefer than are participating in the trial, and the timeframes so heavily overlap. FDA approval fundamentally can't account for all risk of long term side effects either way.

The drug companies aren't shielded from "willful misconduct"- which is really what is being alluded to as a potential fear, ie them hiding information, etc. And even then, it's absurd to suggest that they've got nothing to lose if these things did end up going bad- the consequences that still exist of things hypothetically going sideways are far more catastrophic to a company potentially than our joke of a liability system.