Well, I do want the phins to have a new stadium, dome or not, though a dome does mean we basically eschew any natural home field advantage.

 

All domes should be banished from outdoor sports.

 

Stephen Ross would take care of that anyway.

 

No way... I'm beginning to think im one of the few people that actually like having the elements have effects on the game.. soon we'll never see a game played in a blizzard, torrential downpour, or gusty winds. As for the heat.. us South Floridians live and work in this weather all year long and shouldn't have an effect on us. As for the home field advantage bulldoze that stupid practice bubble and lets see how fast our advantage comes back.

 

I agree to a point - but too many MLB games are lost to snow / rain in the spring up here in the North. Hell, the Indians had to move a few home games to Milwaukee's dome a few years ago because so many were cancelled due to snow.

If it is a game like football that can be played in any element, then I agree.

 

Actually they've done studies and being a dome team gives a home field boost because of the noise level.

 

Very true, can you imagine how loud the boos would be for the Dolphins if we played our home games in a dome........lol

 

I doubt it is in the majority.


Domes are for wimps ...

 

If I wanted to watch an outdoor game indoors in air conditioning, I would just stay home and watch it.

 

Which is why we should get a dome.

 

Then one should be in NY as well...

 

Ross is moving this team to L.A. anyway.....:shifty:

 

A domed stadium in Florida is pure insanity. That's like slapping the good lord in the face for giving you a gorgeous gift. Look no further than Tropicana Field. This ain't Indianapolis. It works against you.

As usual, the answer lies in the middle. Give the fans some cover, but leave the playing field exposed. This is essentially what the Dolphins were exploring when they were making their push for stadium money a couple years ago.

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I can see many of you have never been to Cardinals stadium in Glendale AZ. Your heat in S Florida is baby stuff compared to 155 degrees in september and field temperatures pushing 120. Sun Devil stadium was their home until they built the new place. All games in August and Sept. were blacked out because they sold less then 40% of the seats. The team sucked. Since moving to the new stadiium, the team still sucked but it has been sold out every game since the move. The field is real grass, the roof is a special fabric where it allows mucho light in even when closed. By far, its the nicest stadium in the NFL both for games and tailgating. Go to the Fiesta bowl every year there. Its a huge hispanic population out there too and they pack the stadium even though the team still suckks.

Build the same exact stadium down in Florida or move the team to LA to the new stadium. The Dolphins stadium is fine but the humidity down there blows big time and its getting worse every year. I would not live down there if someone gave me a 5 million dollar home, keep it, you have bugs the size of smal cars.

Economy in AZ is worse then in S Florida and they pack the place to see a crummy team. Its not just the team, its a family day out and like I said, once inside the stadium is the finest you can find. They put those cloth shade things around the stadium in S Florida aand it will be a joke.

Do not have to worry anyway. Ross has no passion for this game, its simply an investment for him and he will spend as little as possible to make whatever he can make.
The stadium will be a patchwork fix up botch job just like the FO he has put together. I expect nothing more out of the man.

http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/USA/Cardinals.jpg

 

No, I've never experienced their 'dry' heat. Is that like lite beer? ;)

But that's more what I'm talking about. Even open, the fans are essentially covered.

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The problem with the Trop is the crappy location and the lack of features. People really enjoy that it's indoors because during those summer games it's 74 degrees instead of 90 degrees + 90% humidity.

I think Joe Robbie could do for some considerable upgrades. Putting the seats closer to the field and putting some sort of cover for the fans would be a huge upgrade. I'd even be ok with something like Cowboys Stadium where there's a huge hole, but the stadium is almost entirely domed.

Also as for wimpy teams, I'd be happy as a clam for the Dolphins to be as wimpy as the 2009 Saints.

 

I don't think you really have to worry about it unless Ross bucks up and privately finances it. The Marlins are going to make it very difficult for anyone to get public money for anything sports related down here for a long time.

 

On this topic, we should always include 2 programs that are being impacted negatively by this cancer of a stadium..Dolphins/Canes..

Put a lid on the OB2?..hmmmm, maybe a retractable one, but no'one has the foresight to understand what needs to be done in this town and culture, and how the owners of the institution and franchise could both make a ridiculous amount of money, have a rebirth of cultures, and make a lot of players very happy.

 

This is a good reason for having a domed stadium.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...grade-miami-might-fall-out-of-super-bowl-mix/

Also home-field advantage with the heat? :pointlol: You have seen our record at home of late?

 

the problem with sun life is the acoustics. we had such a great home field advantage in the orange bowl because the crowd noise was deafening. it wont be anytime soon, but when the Phins get a new stadium, they should take a page from Seattle for the design. that place absolutely rocks when the crowd gets into it

 

I have no desire to see the Dolphins play their games in a dome stadium. Football is meant to be played in the elements, and that includes the heat and humidity of Miami. I did not renew my season tickets for this season after having season tickets for forty years. I didn't fail to renew my tickets because of the weather or because of the money. I didn't renew my tickets because of my frustration with the Dolphin organization since Ross took over as the owner. Once Ross makes the changes in the organization he needs to make and hires a GM and HC, I have faith in, I will be glad to return to the heat and humidity of Joe Robbie Stadium.

I don't think Ross has any intention of personally funding a dome on the stadium and I certainly don't think taxpayers would have any desire to have their taxes used to make improvements to the stadium. The stadium and how hot it is, is not the problem. Seventy thousands fans used to show up in the heat and rain for Dolphin games when they played in the dilapidated Orange Bowl. These fans showed up because the Dolphins were an exciting and winning football teams. It certainly wasn't because of the comfort provided by attending games at Orange Bowl. So the Dolphins do not need a dome to get more fans to attend games. All they need is to start winning games and making the playoffs again. Once this happens, the fans will return, no matter how hot it is.

 

''But the run of NFL title games in South Florida could be in jeopardy, unless upgrades are made to the current stadium located there — or a new stadium is built.''


Yes, good, consequences, put more pressure on the topic..I feel a bit sorry for Ross in one way and not in another..I feel for him because he inherited a complete failure of a vision that was Joe robbie stadium, and I don't feel sorry for him because I haven't seen anything visionary on his own behalf as to changing it..

 

I don't understand your first sentence, both programs have a lot to worry about if the place stays status quo.?

 

Disagreed. There is no inherent heat-based advantage in baseball, basketball, or hockey, and we as a fan base generally overstate the effects of September-October heat as a home field advantage for the Dolphins. It hasn't helped the team out in at least a decade, most likely longer. Modern athletes are obsessively conditioned and trained: they just aren't bothered by the Miami heat as much as they were 20 years ago.

There's also the fact that passing has succeeded running as the preferred means of matriculating the ball down the field, so we don't really have the opportunity to wear other teams down anyway, as we aren't on the field long enough. The 2009 MNF game against the Colts was the exception, not the rule—oh, and we lost anyway.

As someone who was there for the 2008 home playoff game against the Ravens, I can tell you this is BS. (And don't forget the 2009 MNF game against the Jets, when the stadium rocked so hard that the cameras actually wobbled noticeably.) When the crowd has a reason to cheer and get into the game, they get into the game. The problem is that there's nothing on the field worth getting that excited about.

 

I'm sorry but all I saw was blah blah blah blah blah blah blah arizona is the best place in the world blah blah blah blah B blah U blah L blah L blah S blah H blah I blah......

 

your basically saying all buildings are alike, which is so not the case..Environment, energy, structure, closeness from the stands to the field, it all makes a difference as to how it makes fans want to cheer,...Of course a winning team will help, but in our case, the disadvantage is so strong that it eventually wears on.

They showed up to the orange bowl because they knew they were part of the game, and had their own identity they had to live up to..

If Ross had the balls to privately fund the new OB2, with the reputation this fanbase use to have, to market it as the first stadium ever constructed with indimidation as its first ingredient, he would make his money back on attendence and merchandising alone in the long run, plus were talking about 2 serious programs here not just 1.

Dolphins/Canes..OB2...interchangable to change the game.

 

EXACTLY CORRECT!!!

Some upgrades will have to be done eventually and if Ross were smart, he would get the NFL to help him fund some of it. A loan to be paid back would work.

 

That's right! The Marlins deal with the City will kill any thoughts of the Dolphins getting free money in the future.

It's ok though. The Stadium is fine when the team is winning...

 

Yeah no kidding. Not surprising the humidity isn't as bad in a barren desert. Not sure where 155 degrees comes from, the highest recorded temperature on Earth was 136 in Libya. I've felt temps around 130 [not heat index, the actual temp.] with about 40% humidity in Baghdad and it was like hell. I guarantee Arizona doesn't come close to that. And that's only some humidity. You get near 100 degrees with 75% humidity or higher and man... I grew up in Florida I remember what that's like. I also remember that you get used to it when you live there. If the team was outside in that heat and sticky humidity all of the time they absolutely would have an advantage over most other teams. I hate the dome idea, football and baseball are outside sports that are supposed to be played outside.

 

Can't give you a double fist pump so here is another one...

 

I wouldn't take his word for it. The Marlins lobbied Tallahassee for years and failed, eventually getting their stadium funding from a public Miami-Dade County vote allocating funds for a downtown renewal project, of which the Marlins' stadium was part. This was back in '04 or so, when the economy was in decent shape and the money was available.

The economy is the Dolphins' primary enemy when it comes to getting public funds. Even then, if they can field a winning team and rack up a couple of playoff wins, Broward County will be more amenable to opening their wallet (read: passing the tourist tax Mike Dee lobbied for).

 

any fanbase will come if their team is winning....That's not the point at all when it comes to the issues that this cancer causes..

 

Who's going to pay for the retractable roof?

 

Its amazing to me that people I find very intelligent cannot quantify this particular issue..

 

It's a fine stadium, and the players apparently love the football field, which will be there for good now. The only thing I can see them doing is the half roof, that only covers the stands for shade, which would be fine and much cheaper than a retractable roof. Which is what was in their proposal. I think it's just a matter of when they'll put it. They may have to wait until the team makes the playoffs and start selling tickets again.

The one in their proposal was a bit ugly since it stuck out so far for some reason, but they can make a better one. And the stadium has been pretty loud, noticeably on TV during the 2009 primetime games and the 08 playoff game. Don't forget the team has been fairly bad since 2004.

 

The game's changed. Whatever home field advantage we enjoyed with the heat 20-30 years ago doesn't matter much now. Defenses usually aren't on the field long enough to become truly exhausted because offenses finish drives quicker. That 2009 Colts game was the exception, not the expectation. (Again, we still lost.)

As for the stadium, you and I have have disagreed on that topic for years. Put a team worth cheering on the field, and the crowd will rock. The Orange Bowl is gone, it's not coming back, and other teams seem to do just fine without the earth quaking underneath their feet.

 

so then by your statements I am to conclude that you feel there is no discernable advantage when it comes to stadiums? one is not better than the other in terms of how a team performs at home and what type of emotion they play with?






Right now there are 2 stadiums that I feel literally on their own, are a detriment to their team because of how they were constructed....New cowboy stadium..and Sunlife...

 

I do not live in AZ, I live on the Coast just north of San Diego. You are right, all blah blah blah, sucks out here, please, stay where you are.

 

I definitely think you overstate the effect. The Seahawks have a great home crowd: but they're a pathetic team.

Of all the detriments to this team, the stadium is probably last on my list.