With all the talk on perhaps venturing to take a QB in next year's draft, it seems prudent as a reminder to state that the Dolphins are without their 3rd and 4th round choices in 2017 by virtue of the trade up with Minnesota to get Leonte Carroo.
Ironically, I think the Dolphins were looking at their WR situation with the long-term in mind and probably drafting the replacement for Kenny Stills when his rookie contract is up. However, they did this fortifying a position of relative strength.
It doesn't take too much to look ahead at the whole picture to see, even in the 2016 Draft, that in 2017, the Dolphins were likely going to need:
Guard (1or 2)
TE (1 or probably 2)
RB
DE (1 or 2)
LB (at least 2)
CB
and maybe S
all that without thinking QB
That's a lot of holes that aren't magically going to be filled via the expensive route in Free Agency. The Dolphins need good, cheap talent at impact positions. Giving away two semi-premium draft choices to take a WR...
...in retrospect (20/20!!!), that looks pretty awful and, worse, crippling to a franchise that basically needs to rebuild... at least at many spots.
It's how bad organizations get worse. How long until we contend? Longer now.
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I agree. The truth is good front offices do things like trade Cameron Wake while he still has value for additional draft picks. I love Cam, but he's no longer a part of this organizations future when thinking of rebuilding and long term playoff success. If I were the front office people, I would look to trade guys that are long in the tooth and try to get some draft picks.
Getting rid of two draft picks to move up in the draft like they did for Carroo, was just plain stupid.resnor likes this. -
I don't think anyone was praising the Caroo trade when it happened.
In fact, I think we gave up more to get Caroo than Jax gave up to draft Myles Jack.Itsdahumidity, resnor, dolphin25 and 1 other person like this. -
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Not to mention, compensatory picks are at the end of rounds, making them more like 4th and 5ths rather than, probably, upper-tier 3rd and 4ths. -
So if we get awarded a 3rd and 4th compensatory, we will have the 3rd round compensatory and our natural 4th.wpgfishfan, Eop05 and Finrunner like this. -
You could look at our drafting as a case study of how to destroy your team. Just think about all the resources we've invest in our OL, WR and QB in the top 3 rounds and how bad our offense still sucks! In the last 6 years, 11 picks in those rounds. Pretty disgusting.
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Well, I for one am LOVING what Carroo is doing so far.
He wears 11, right?MikeHoncho, Fin-O and Pandarilla like this. -
It's too early to say this is a bad trade. It might end up that way but we wont know till next year. The guy has glue for hands. What we need is a receiver who can run precise routes and get open on a regular basis. Maybe he's the guy, maybe he's not. We'll know next year. Personally I think they drafted him to replace Rishard Matthews
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Miller's deal would generate a borderline 4th or 5th comp pick, won't know until the year is over.
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Leonte Caroo was absolutely waste of a pick and one better spent at another position.
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Carroo, #88 right? He was the guy Tannehill was targeting but had the ball intercepted late in the game at Cincinnati. The guy who was scouted as being a "faster Anquan Boldin"? The guy the Pats were gonna select? The guy who dropped one pass last year? The guy who got props from Richard Sherman? The guy who will save us money, if
Yeah, you're nitpicking because you have no patience. That's not a bad thing. Brian Billick would always say, "it's a desperate man's game." It's good to have a sense of urgency, but look at the forest once in a while. First time, first year head coach and Tannenbaum was actually frugal in the offseason. -
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Too much slander in this thread. I don't like it!
Carroo is going to be a good player. Physical and plays angry with the ball in his hands. Team player. Jersey/Rutgers guy. My kind of dude!dolphin25, Pandarilla and smahtaz like this. -
Don't get me wrong, I'm totally for Leonte Carroo, and I think he can be a really good WR.
My beef is with the front office on this one. I've been pretty exasperated listening to fans say we need to pick a QB in next year's draft, and I've gotta be honest... sometimes when I watch RT at this point in his career arc, and I think, okay, maybe so.
But if the front office thinks that, I just think we move back our time frame for competing by at least another two years. While I'm excited that we drafted Tunsil and Howard -- those two look like our best 1-2 picks since, I don't know, Webb/Simms (my memory sucks... I'm sure there has to be a couple good ones since then). But then, we make this move...
...and where are our LBers? What about another DEs to pick up where Cam Wake is leaving off? Maxwell doesn't seem to be working, so the team is probably going to need another CB. And, offensively, we won't resign Cameron and Simms' contract is up at the end of the year. What are the pacifiers of young QBs? Good TEs and workhorse RBs. We have neither.
I don't want to sound so angst-ridden, but the Dolphins still seem to be spinning their wheels in player personnel. It hurts to think how long it could be before we are true playoff contenders, much less Super Bowl contenders.
If this sounds like a rant, I apologize.Eop05 and Pandarilla like this. -
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My opinion as stated (READ TRAVIS READ!) was it's a bad pick based on other more important needs, especially since Grant was also drafted.
At least a guy like ODB contributed something right from the start (both guys for that matter), but still assinine to even mention Leonte in the same breath as them as this stage.
Odell
Jarvis
Leonte
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By the way, can anyone provide evidence that the picks we moved would result in players who would be seeing more playing time currently? I ask as just about everyone appears to be operating on the belief that substituting the players we drafted for other unnamed players is a guarantee. It's not.
Also the belief that next years picks are somehow more valuable is IMHO a falsehood. The notion that this would happen year on year is in and of it's self is proof that something isn't quite right. Look through the history of the draft and there oodles of drafts where the next year was absolute **** compared to the year before. Who says the wide receiver class would be this deep again this year?Aqua4Ever04, Brasfin, ChrisKo and 1 other person like this. -
Yes, and probably 100 other things as well. The reality is we didn't.
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EDIT: He was injured and didn't play. But when he was finally activated, he contributed. -
As for the thread, We'll be happy with Carroo. Great hands, great size, he's going to be good.Pandarilla and Rocky Raccoon like this. -
The knee jerk reaction is to criticize everything when expectations aren't met so when they are over critical those that are criticizing can say "i hope i am wrong" or "well I am happily wrong" and save face, and considering most picks don't pan out odds are in the favor of the critics.
we are talking a very young team with a new coach and system....at least give it a season or two. -
We triple down and gave up a lot of assets for what I think most would agree is our strongest position. I'm not writing his career off, but I didn't like the move then and I don't like it now.
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I like Caroo, I hated the trade, way too much to give up, hopefully he turns out to be a stud, and the trade won't mean much, but regardless, it was a bad trade.
I wanted to draft Prescott in the Drake spot, then when they were trading later in the round I got excited that they were going to draft Prescott, damn I wish we had drafted Prescott...Pandarilla likes this. -
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