Draft

"Rick 1966 wrote:

At the number one overall, I would say do our damndest to trade it, but if we can't, we have to pick the BPA coming out of the combines. Right now, I would say McFadden, but that may change after the combines. It also may depend on who our head coach/GM is at the time. I am not anti-Beck, but if we wind up with a new HC/GM, he may want his own franchise QB.

Rick, I don't think I've ever agreed with your opinions about anything, this time though, I have to agree.

It's not that Darren McF is the 100% fit that will make pro bowls and lead us to the playoffs, I am saying that he is the one player in this draft that is most capable of doing that with us.

"azstryker wrote:

Hey, I said if the talent is even close you have to go with the QB. I can just see Dorsey being the next Steve entman or Big Diddy Wilkinson for us. Be sure to understand that I am not comparing them, just stating that would be out luck in taking a Dlineman that early. We need something more than a "decent" player. We need a face for the franchise

Also, Beck was mediocre in preseason, and completely awful these past 3 games. He has lead the offense to a whopping 6 points in those 3 games. Now a lot of that is poopr play calling, but Beck has shown very little evidence that he will be anything more than a Jay Fiedler without teh winning percentage. I wish it was different, I really do, but he just doesn't have it.

Luckily we should have a new GM and hopefully a new coach. They will evaluate the mistake and hopefully rectify it

I disagree on Beck. Clearly he struggled and had a pretty rough game out there today but I don't think he was very bad at all his first two games. He showed alot of growth between games with his accuracy and has some good pocket presence for a rookie. The mistakes will happen, obviously, its how he learns from them thats important. I definitely see him as our QB next season.

More importantly than who we take #1 overall is what we do with the current players on our roster in terms of their worth to us and other teams. I'm thinking specifically of trading Jason Taylor. It has to be done. I believe the Denver Broncos would trade their 2nd and 3rd round picks for him. The fact that they drafted Jarvis Moss is meaningless: if they were comfortable with just Moss, why did they acquire Simeon Rice off waivers? I believe Jim Bates will convince Shanahan to pull the trigger if such a trade were proposed.

So we then wind up Denver's 2nd and 3rd round picks, giving us nine picks overall, five on the first day. After this, priorities have to be determined: do we want to trade up to acquire talent out of the first round, or stay pat and try the strength in numbers game? And furthermore, which positions are prioritized on draft day? I think it can go something like this:

#1: DT Glenn Dorsey
#32: TE Fred Davis
#49 (Denver): OT Chris Williams
#55 (San Diego): WR DJ Hall
#65: CB Chevis Jackson
#82 (Denver): SS Jamar Adams

I'd like to come away somehow with MLB Dan Connor, but I doubt that'll be possible. So I think the above is somewhat likely--more likely than drafting Darren McFadden, anyway.

"Desides wrote:

Yeah, alright, let's just get into shootouts every Sunday. We'll put up points after a 7 minute drive, the other team will come out and put up points in 3 minutes because the defense won't hold a lead. It'll be like Dan Marino's career all over again!

This offense puts up points just fine when its playmaker, Ronnie Brown, is present. Darren McFadden should be involved with the Dolphins only as a hostage: we should use him as leverage in a trade to acquire more draft picks. That's it.

If McFadden puts on a Dolphins uniform, I give up on this team.

Ronnie won't be ready to play until after the season starts, it has been said several times that it takes a solid year to come back from a torn ACL, that will put his return sometime into the season.

Do you really want to start next season with Chatman as our featured back? How do you think that will turn out for us?:confused2:

DT's do not lead teams to the Super Bowl or even the playoffs Desides, there is a reason for that mainly because they cannot take hand offs, or throw passes or catch passes or even block blitzers....

"Motion wrote:

I disagree on Beck. Clearly he struggled and had a pretty rough game out there today but I don't think he was very bad at all his first two games. He showed alot of growth between games with his accuracy and has some good pocket presence for a rookie. The mistakes will happen, obviously, its how he learns from them thats important. I definitely see him as our QB next season.

Well then we will have the number 1 pick two years in a row.

"Motion wrote:

I disagree on Beck. Clearly he struggled and had a pretty rough game out there today but I don't think he was very bad at all his first two games. He showed alot of growth between games with his accuracy and has some good pocket presence for a rookie. The mistakes will happen, obviously, its how he learns from them thats important. I definitely see him as our QB next season.

As do I, hopefully Boomer will give us a great review of Beck's performance either good or bad.

He also has had no running game to bail him out by taking the pressure off of him.

"azstryker wrote:

Well then we will have the number 1 pick two years in a row.

:up: And the most impatient fanbase too boot.

i really dont see why people want McFadden, he is NOTHING compared to Adrian Peterson.

id pick either Dorsey or Long if we stay at the #1. if u really wanna beef up our DL, u can pick Frank Okam in the late 1st round too by trading away two of our 2nd rounders.

ive been hearing rumors that Dorsey has back problems, and for a DT...thats a bad thing. are these rumors real or fake?

"Carabinieri44 wrote:

i really dont see why people want McFadden, he is NOTHING compared to Adrian Peterson.

id pick either Dorsey or Long if we stay at the #1. if u really wanna beef up our DL, u can pick Frank Okam in the late 1st round too by trading away two of our 2nd rounders.

ive been hearing rumors that Dorsey has back problems, and for a DT...thats a bad thing. are these rumors real or fake?

Dorsey has had problems with his knee since the cut block against Auburn. He has also had problems with a tailbone bruise. He should be 100% healthy by the draft.

"Motion wrote:

Yet at the same time you can't ignore the fact that Ronnie hasn't played a complete season in 5+ years. I'm a huge Ronnie fan but we need more reliable playmakers.

I agree.

You need to draft playmakers with a #1 pick.

Big guys like that can be had later on.

Unless your 100% sure they are can't miss and I am not sold on Dorsey.

I absolutely do NOT see Dorsey becomming John Randle #2....hence I would not take him #1 overall.

"Motion wrote:

:up: And the most impatient fanbase too boot.

6 years of no playoffs is patient enough. How many more years do you want to give them???

"azstryker wrote:

6 years of no playoffs is patient enough. How many more years do you want to give them???

It's going to take at least two more years to get this team into playoff form, assuming the 2008 and 2009 drafts are big successes.

"TheMageGandalf wrote:

I agree.

You need to draft playmakers with a #1 pick.

Big guys like that can be had later on.

hmm, this guy speaks the truth. big beefy DTs CAN be had later on...but if ur gonna select a playmaker with the #1 pick....dont let it be McFadden. Let Ronnie/Jesse/Ricky handle our backfield. ud need to take a WR with the 1st pick and well....DeSean Jackson isnt worth the #1 pick, hes pretty much the only receiver in the first round if u ask me. but we DO need a receiver, i think Martin and Peelle are just fine at TE.

u all see that Lorenzo Booker actually played today. and played well! as of now its Ginn/MBooker/LBooker. technically u only need 2 reeeeeally good receivers.

so with that...whos left? do u take Jake Long? sure, he can replace an aging Shelton.

"Carabinieri44 wrote:

hmm, this guy speaks the truth. big beefy DTs CAN be had later on...but if ur gonna select a playmaker with the #1 pick....dont let it be McFadden. Let Ronnie/Jesse/Ricky handle our backfield. ud need to take a WR with the 1st pick and well....DeSean Jackson isnt worth the #1 pick, hes pretty much the only receiver in the first round if u ask me. but we DO need a receiver, i think Martin and Peelle are just fine at TE.

u all see that Lorenzo Booker actually played today. and played well! as of now its Ginn/MBooker/LBooker. technically u only need 2 reeeeeally good receivers.

so with that...whos left? do u take Jake Long? sure, he can replace an aging Shelton.

tHE DRAFT IS LOADED WITH OFFENSIVE TACKLES THAT CAN BE HAD IN THE 2ND RD. Otah in the 2nd would be better value than Long in the 1st

"Carabinieri44 wrote:

so with that...whos left? do u take Jake Long? sure, he can replace an aging Shelton.

Now thats probably the worst idea I've seen all day. You want to take a RT with the #1 pick??? Well if there are NFL fans that aren't laughing at us yet they sure would after that pick. We relied on Ronnie, Ricky, and Jesse this season, how's that working out for us? We need to take the BPA period.

We need a coach and offsive cordinator and Darren Macfadden trade J.Chatman n Ronnie Brown for good wide reciver and tighend.

"PROBALL9954 wrote:

We need a coach and offsive cordinator and Darren Macfadden trade J.Chatman n Ronnie Brown for good wide reciver and tighend.

why would u trade two runningbacks who average 5 yards a carry? well Ronnie does...Jesse DID. Ronnie and Jesse are 2 pretty good backs to have, the only way i give away Chatman is if someone calls us and offers us a draft pick for him....even if its a 5th! Ricky will be back next year anyway

"azstryker wrote:

6 years of no playoffs is patient enough. How many more years do you want to give them???

Improvement is everything stryker, our draft improved, we have starters from it, our team however hasn't.

I can handle losing, what I can't handle is lack of improvement.

And let's keep in mind, our cupboard is barren, all of those terrible drafts are finally coming home to roost in our roster, that cannot be overlooked nor underestimated at all, our craptacularness is happening for a reason.

We haven't improved on the field, we scored a defensive TD, and promptly committed two of the most boneheaded penalties or the season.

I am starting to chalk that up to poor coaching folks, I think I may have lost faith in Cam Cameron as our "guy" at HC.

I'm with BPA, and I think that will be McFadden. Obviously trade down is best option, but worse comes to worse . . . we have 2 TERRIFIC skilled RB's on our team . . . and I wouldn't mind seeing both on the field at the same time . . . both can be split out wide, both were former QB's so trick plays are there . . . u put Booker in the slot with Ginn out wide . . . those are 4 ELITE speedsters and potential playmakers on offense . . . u draft Fred Davis next and get a veteran WR in FA . . . OLine later on . . . the offense is complete . . . keeping Mcfadden is the FARTHEST thing from being a mistake. In fact, its looking like the only option in my opinion

We have young talent on the DLine . . . guys like Solai, Wright, Abe Wright, Roth, Moses . . . to go along with Vonnie and JT . . . we need to get a LB early and roll one more year with this secondary (tho we need to address safety at some point in this draft, CB as well wouldn't hurt).

Draft McFadden, if he is BPA and u can't trade out.

seriously i think its time to play ALL our young guys. our season is well over, its time to let Abe Wright, Rod Wright, Kelvin Smith play. its time to let Quentin Moses, Derrick Robinson, Anthony Alabi, Paul Soliai all get playing time. time to let all the younger guys get in and play a full game so we can see how they do. with that, we'll know just WHO we need to draft this coming year.

"Carabinieri44 wrote:

seriously i think its time to play ALL our young guys. our season is well over, its time to let Abe Wright, Rod Wright, Kelvin Smith play. its time to let Quentin Moses, Derrick Robinson, Anthony Alabi, Paul Soliai all get playing time. time to let all the younger guys get in and play a full game so we can see how they do. with that, we'll know just WHO we need to draft this coming year.

Abe Wright is on IR, and Kelvin Smith was cut when the roster was trimmed down to 53 players after training camp. Rod Wright and Quentin Moses have been playing. Soliai was active today. Alabi isn't ready, and I'm thinking we should just get rid of him.

i think Kelvin Smith is on the practice squad. no?

First half it was twice i could of call for changing the play when twice 3rd and short jets stacked the line and they ran it twice i mean what jhon is thinking twice they were in his face he didint change anything i dont know if his the one like Morphise would say in the matrix.And left tackle shelton please just dissappear please go back to the cards im sick of you most hated fin.people were saying his the most improved online hahaha.We need Bill Crowder please Wayne Bill Bill Bill Crowder no need to say no more.WE need a big reciver.

"PROBALL9954 wrote:

First half it was twice i could of call for changing the play when twice 3rd and short jets stacked the line and they ran it twice i mean what jhon is thinking twice they were in his face he didint change anything i dont know if his the one like Morphise would say in the matrix.And left tackle shelton please just dissappear please go back to the cards im sick of you most hated fin.people were saying his the most improved online hahaha.We need Bill Crowder please Wayne Bill Bill Bill Crowder no need to say no more.WE need a big reciver.

Worst post today.

1. Our left tackle is Vernon Carey, not LJ Shelton.
2. Who the hell is Bill Crowder?
3. What?

"PROBALL9954 wrote:

First half it was twice i could of call for changing the play when twice 3rd and short jets stacked the line and they ran it twice i mean what jhon is thinking twice they were in his face he didint change anything i dont know if his the one like Morphise would say in the matrix.And left tackle shelton please just dissappear please go back to the cards im sick of you most hated fin.people were saying his the most improved online hahaha.We need Bill Crowder please Wayne Bill Bill Bill Crowder no need to say no more.WE need a big reciver.

stop being so harsh on the Oline . . . they have had a great season, they finally had a real bad game . . . didn't help that the Jets KNEW we were passing on every down. Lack of a running game and dumb play calling will do that to u.