Per Joe Philbin, via Adam Beasley on twitter about an hour ago.
To me, "capable" sounds like a weak term for someone drafted in the 3rd round. Sounds as if Joe didn't want to commit to saying he can be a good lineman, yet at the same time isn't going to come right out and say the guy sucks Donkey ba**s.
I'd like to listen to the presser to hear how it came out of his mouth, but it still doesn't seem like much of an endorsement of where Thomas is.
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Given the complexity of the schemes and assignments for every position, they don't play rookies until they have learned a large enough portion of the playbook to the coaches satisfaction. You'd think they'd simply things ala Chip Kelly, to get the talent on the field.
That said, either these coaches have things too complicated or are too stringent in expectations, they rookies are intellectually struggling to learn assignments, or they just weren't good picks to begin with. I find that hard to believe with Jordan, Taylor, and Davis. I have zero faith in Turner's abilities at this point. Especially with Dallas Thomas and former first round pick Danny Watkins not playing any snaps in a game as bad as this last loss.
It's irritating to see rookies playing and flourishing on other teams and our guys either are limited in snaps or don't play at all. Given the performances of some of the 2nd and 3rd string vets, I'd rather take my lumps with the rookies this season and get them much needed game experience.Ducken, joenhre, ToddPhin and 1 other person like this. -
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Also, a great coach would change the scheme or gameplan to accomodate for the pieces he DOES have and put them in a position to succeed at what they CAN do well.
Honestly, I think we are victim of a mediocre GM getting us players that are not always great fits or need development...
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A mediocre coaching staff that's no good at coaching them up, or designing their coaching plan to adapt and get the most out of who they have.
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I'll fess up. I was a fan of Dallas Thomas leading up to the draft and was pretty happy when they took him. I thought he was the LG of the future. I wonder if the root of his problems are basic core strength (a concern of his coming from Tennessee that I'm guessing is magnified by the shoulder injury) and the fact that Jim Turner had him taking snaps at every position except center in training camp. This kid was a solid, solid LG at Tennessee; he's not a tackle, left or right, and I don't think at the end of the day he'll ever be that classic road-grading type of RG. He's mobile and can pull well, yet Miami seemed resistant to using him there due to Richie Incognito's presence.
I think, at the very least, he's in competition for the LG spot in 2014 training camp.Bpk likes this. -
I think we all know Dallas is very capable of one thing… that is not being active on Sundays...
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Think about this, we have gotten nothing out of the returner position this year, garbage play...we have a player on our roster who happens to have the best hands on the team, who is physical and strong with pretty good speed, he was also a very good returner in college..his name is Rishard Matthews, you know that guy that we've been clamoring for way before last week to get serious playing time?...If Rishard Matthews told the coaches he doesn't want to return punts or kicks, I can understand, but I don't think that's the case...two misevaluations..one on Thigpen, the other on not recognizing Matthews..kick that dude the ball, he will catch it securely, and he will do somethin with it..finfansince72 likes this. -
I do recall Matthews being a very good returner at Nevada. Hard to replace Thigpen for me though. He was the only guy in the NFL last year that was top 5 in returning both kicks and punts; I think he's top 6 in both again this year. That said, I think if you can find more value in Thigpen's roster spot by giving it to someone at another position (like a DT better than Isaako Aatui), I'd by all means love to give Matthews a shot.
Matthews, I think, is going to be a solid player for quite some time in the near future.Bpk likes this. -
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Much in the way that a traffic cone is "capable"
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Edit...better than I thought, but I'm still mad about not signing Trindon Holliday after he was available, right after we played him in a preseason game two years ago..I mean you see the guy live, he tears your *** up, he's available, and you snooze..
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It means he is not capable now. That's all that needs to be said.
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http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...-incognito-reaches-out-to-fins-fins-heat.html
More damning stuff from Barry Jackson. Joe Philbin believes Dallas Thomas will be a capable tackle, not just a lineman, but a tackle. This is wrong. He also says he likes Kevin Coyle's scheme and wouldn't switch back to a 3-4.
Coach Philbin is worse than I thought.
As far as Thigpen's return stats, what were they before the Tampa game? I could have sworn ESPN posted a graphic that had him in the top 6 in both.MrClean likes this. -
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Play the guy, most rookie linemen this year are struggling anyways, they might need another offseason of conditioning to get up to speed.
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This year he is 11th on KR, 13th on PR and 13th overall. He could break a long one anytime and when he does his rating will get better.
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I was thinking the exact same thing. The most important position on a football team in the QB. This coaching staff had no problem starting a rookie QB last year and a rookie RT. Yet all of a sudden this year we are suppose to believe that the coaching staff just wants to give this draft class more time to adjust to playing in the NFL.
I'm not buying it and I just wish they would come out and state the truth. That being that this draft class isn't very good and that is why they aren't getting much playing time this year. If this team was loaded with talent and they could afford to bring the rookies along slowly, that would make sense. Unfortunately this team isn't loaded with talent and a lot more was needed and expected from this draft class. I don't know what the future holds for any of these players drafted this year, but so far in 2013, this draft class has mostly been missing in action. -
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Last yr, we blocked FG tries and punts, this yr we are having our FG tries blocked, we had nice returns when needed, this year opponents are having them.
Unfortunately though, the only place that covers ST is PFF's excellent "third phase" coverage and they have not focused on the Dolphins problems as of yet.
So not certain what is going on, AFAIK no major changes have been made in key personnel on the unit just the results have plummeted.
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Not to mention, they've traded away Brandon Marshall and Vontae Davis. There's no overall vision and method behind building the roster. Yeah, they have a young team; so young that they have no leaders.
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Dallas Thomas can be a "capable offensive lineman."
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