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Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by DonShula84, Mar 31, 2008.

  1. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Its cool bro. Like I said everyones body is different but generally speaking that is what Ive seen/read :hi5:
     
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  2. Motion

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    No doubt, the key to all this is finding what works for you. :up:
     
  3. azfinfanmang

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    I would agree to that very strongly. As I suggested, I think it is very important to create a log or journal and actually study what works best. Amazing the results you can get when you start "Listening" to your body..:up:
     
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  4. pocoloco

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    I used Creatine for a spell, lifting in the morning, playing basketball or ultimate in the afternoons. During breaks in the running, my heart would not slow down at all. Just kept beating really fast. Quit Creatine for good after that.


    For me at least, egg whites and red meat are just fine
     
  5. texasPHINSfan

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    x elevety billion :up:
     
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  6. texasPHINSfan

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    ??

    i've never even heard of creatine doing anything like that... especially since it really isn't supposed to affect your respiratory system. i've heard of people having those problems you mentioned while on fat burners or caffeine pills.... but creatine? weird...
     
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  7. GridIronKing34

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    Neither have I, but when I hear things like this, it makes me think twice about taking the creatine monohydrate.
     
  8. azfinfanmang

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    :hi5:

    Once again folks. Creatine is something your body makes....its not a stimulant at all.
     
  9. DonShula84

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    So what's everyone's position on the need to "load" creatine? I know TX said he doesnt do it, and it hasnt negatively affected his results, anyone else have a diff experience? I'm wondering if it's kind of like the repeat instruction on the shampoo bottle; just a way to get you to use more than you need so you buy more of their product.
     
  10. GridIronKing34

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    It's not necessary, just supposedly helps the effects of creatine take place sooner from what I know. I don't think you need to do it, but if you want quicker results for what it's suppose to do, then load. Just make sure you cycle on and off it like you're suppose to.
     
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  11. azfinfanmang

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    Like anything, your body is only going to absorb so much of it.

    I do believe in STACKING, but not LOADING. I generally take it immediately prior to workout, then in evenings...I should note that i work out very early...5:00 am.

    Also, as Grids stated, Cycleing is very important. Just like lifting you need to constantly "Shock" the system...

    Or at least these are the things that have worked best for me...
     
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  12. JCowScot

    JCowScot So funky the dead dance

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    I agree with most of what's been posted in this thread. You definitely want to cut BEFORE taking creatine and bulking. Go with what the good Dr.(Lab3003) said- cut your calorie intake to 1500-2000 per, and exercise. The boost to your ego alone will keep you going.:thumbup: I would recommend a high-intensity (HIT) workout, but as most can't do something that intense (right away), whatever you're doing now should suffice. Just don't do cardio AND weight training on the same day. That will lengthen your recovery time and you run the risk of overtraining on a usual (M-W-F) routine.

    As for loading, like the quote for azfin above, your body can only absorb so much. You can probably half the dosage they recommend for about a week, and then cut it down to about 5 g on days when you work out. Or you can stack-either way you should still benefit. One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that creatine absorbs much better in the presence of sugar, so mixing it with fruit juice or a sports drink would be your best bet-just make sure you still drink LOTS of water. Yes, it really does help that much.

    A good book I recommend that has a six month plan in it for this kind of thing is The New HIT by Dr. Ellington Darden. You can generally find it in any bookstore, and it's about 20 bucks. Just be forewarned, it advocates a radically different way of training than what you are most likely used to. Hope this helps! :hi5: :up:
     
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  13. DonShula84

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    Thanks for the insight guys. I'm not completely new to this working out thing, a friend started getting me into it about 9 months ago. It's good to get some advice from more experienced people, lets me know some stuff I'm doing alright and some things I might need to rething/work on.
     
  14. MelbournePhin

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    just ask your buddy brady quinn on how to get "buff" :up:
     
  15. JCowScot

    JCowScot So funky the dead dance

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    It's all good, brudda. That's what we're here for. And just as an aside, I wasn't trying to make it sound like you were a noob...sorry if I came across like that.:sad: It's just that I've spent the past 3-5 years researching and studying the science of the body and weight training, I get kinda excited when people ask questions...:w00t::pity:
     
  16. slickj101

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    haha just run through tires for a few seconds and knock around a couple pilons. then dont waste your workout.... now im done.
     
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    dont forget to say im done in that deep gay-meathead voice :sidelol:
     
  18. azfinfanmang

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    ITs good to study it bro. I have been lifting for about 20+ years, and when I started reading up on nutrition things changed dramtically.

    Not to say I wasnt making gains in strength and stature, but made much better strides when I started asking questions and reading.:up:
     
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  19. slickj101

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    lol then try to look straight and manly as I lead the subway parade, wait, nevermind. Im busy on sundays holding a clipboard.
     
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  20. JCowScot

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    :sidelol: :sidelol:
     
  21. Boik14

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    Ya I got dizzy when i used it so its not really unheard of. Xenadrine made my heart beat faster then usual though and that scared the hee bee jeebies outta me. :no:
     
  22. Boik14

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    Right but your body only produces it at a minimal level. Almost any supplement is something your body produces. When you change the level of that mineral or enzyme in your body thats when you could have side affects. :up:
     
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  23. Boik14

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    With any supplement the dosages recommended are for people who weight lift daily. If this is not your routine you shouldnt follow that dosage. Mostly those dosages are designed for body builder types.

    If your routine is like most people who go 3-4x a week to lift weights then youre better off cutting that dosage to a 1/3rd of what they recommend or to an every other day type routine. If its a protein supplement cut it to only days you lift because anything you dont burn gets stored by the body, and it targets the kidneys which could eventually lead to kidney stones.
     
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  24. Jaj

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    I've lived the last two years of my life (age 18, age 19) trying to match those who take creatine and even light steroid users. I'll tell you what I may look relatively normal and only so-so buff but I can lift a heck of a lot better than they can for their size.

    If you have the dedication I suggest take nothing but maybe Muscle Milk and then Whey Protein Isolate immediately after your workout. Keep a limit on it too, maybe just 2 servings of muscle milk and one of whey protein maximum. Too much calcium can lead to kidney stones in the long run.

    If you want looks go for it, I've seen what it did to some of my friends. They matched my grueling regimen with much less work as far as looks went. Steroids flat out bulked some people I knew up like madmen, I can't match them in the gym.

    It's your choice honestly, the downsides of creatin aren't that bad. You will shrink after you stop using it but hey it's the looks that matter I've learned and creatin will get you that.
     
  25. GridIronKing34

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    Usually after a workout I just take a serving of whey protein. But adding an additional two servings of Muscle Milk? That'd kill the wallet.

    IMO you don't need those fancy supplements like Muscle Milk, creatine, etc. They're just supplements and they're used to supplement your diet and workout regimen. It's all about your diet when it comes to the look. Speaking of diet, I really need to practice what I preach, I am horrible with my diet. Then again, that's what I get for being a college student with a meal plan and very little options on what I eat every day. :lol:
     
  26. slickj101

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    Same here, my diet is god awful. I'm jacked but I think I invented the 2 double cheeseburger / 6pack of heineken workout. I'm like 5"10-11 and I weigh around 200 but I swear Id be like 270 if I didnt workout. I need to start eating some goddamn salads.
     
  27. Jaj

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    No sir Muscle Milk before and then once more during another part of your day. There are cheaper supplements than that offcourse. Muscle Milk+Isolate Whey is very expensive by itself, Creatine will kill the wallet after that.

    God I wish I had better genetics. I've worked like a dog in the gym non-stop. I agree with you on the last point Grid, but I would just eat quite a bit honestly. That's all you can do.

    How long have you been working out Slick and with what?
     
  28. slickj101

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    Since I was like 16-17 so like 7 years. Mostly weight training, some running and heavybag / speedbag stuff.
     
  29. Jaj

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    I guess I've got time then. I lifted when I was seventeen too so I'd say 2 3/4 years of lifting so far. The 2/3 and 3/3rd of that have been more consistent and knock on wood I stay healthy :up: and not get hurt again.

    I'm 19 now turning 20. When I started out I was about 163 lbs with terrible strength. I'm about 186-187 now but much of that came this last year with better nutrition. I'm wondering if I can hit 200 lbs by the New Year and then top out just a bit over that. I'm 6-0/6-1...

    Any idea if I will?
     
  30. GridIronKing34

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    You can buy monohydrate creatine for $20, bro. I don't know how that would kill the wallet. No need to buy that overpriced crap like NO-Xtreme and what not. I've always gone by eating some good carbs to give yourself energy before a workout then finishing it off with a whey protein shake.
     
  31. Jaj

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    You guys ever cut off your calluses on the inside of your hands?
     
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    Reading this thread makes me tired :(
     
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    While I wouldn't suggest doing HIT cardio the same day as you lift, doing mild cardio immediately after you lift can do wonders for fat loss. I always jump on the treadmill for about 20 minutes after my lifting routine and have gotten great results. I also know this is a very popular routine in the bodybuilding world.
     
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    I've heard of it causing increased blood pressure with some people but that is definitely not the norm with creatine.

    Increased heart rate and blood pressure is pretty common with most fat loss supplements.
     
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  35. azfinfanmang

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    Agreed completely. I ALWAYS do a cardio after lifting. Not a high intensity, but a good steady bike, hike or run

    Also, I know a handfull of very dedicated Body-builders that believe in a brief cardio prior to lifting to get the blood pumping.
     
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  36. slickj101

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    Injuries are such a ***** with working out arent they? Nothing more frustrating when your making gains and that happens. I pulled a muscle in my back horribly last new years eve working out and i couldnt do a damn thing for like a week, had to rehab it for about 3-4 weeks. Back better then ever now, but damn that was annoying.

    Ya man I think youll see youll gain a lot more weight as your metabolism slows down too.
     
  37. slickj101

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    BTW, anyone have any good ab workouts that dont destroy your lowerback?
     
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    I always go with crunches, leg raises, side bends, and sometimes preacher crunches. I don't do any hardcore ab workouts because I don't think they're necessary. No need to overtrain them. A strong core is key, but doing abs 2-3 times a week is unnecessary IMO.
     
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  39. JCowScot

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    Yeah, that's what I meant. A little cool-down is good for you- it helps to flush out the lactic acid in the muscles. I was talking SERIOUS cardio- ie more than 15-20 min at a higher than moderate pace. (I don't know of anyone that would be willing to do some HIT cardio -sprinting- after a workout. But if someone was willing, I'd sure pay to see :pointlol:)

    Ehh, you could do cardio before working out, but the first few reps of your workout do the same thing- so what's the point??:huh: As long as you aren't doing any olympic-style movements or jerking the weight around (like sooooo many in the gym), it's pretty pointless (no real benefit or drawback scientifically). Unless it makes you feel good- than by all means *cough* *bodybuilders* *cough*, go right ahead. :wink2::up:
     
  40. slickj101

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    lol i think that last bit was referring to the guys in the gym that have to grunt as loud as possible during every rep to make sure everyone sees how jaked they are. you kno the guys who live in tanning salons, think every collar on every extra small pink polo shirt must be flipped up and use more hair products than your gf.
     

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