For four games..Can Chris McCain replace Jordan?

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djphinfandjphinfansubscriberOP
Aug 29, 2014, 05:54 PM

I don't see why he can't do what Dion Jordan was going to do in this scheme and that is rush the passer in passing situations.

There is no other backup player on the roster with that type of pass rush talent, and that's the name of the game for these four games, make that speed package what it was intended to do..

McCain has some unique ability to get to the Qb without engaging with the lineman, very good slap rip move, very good acceleration, and just deeks, grooves and slithers his way to the Qb, sometimes with the great subtleness, if the opponent tries to run in those passing situations with draws or delayed stuff, he's got some awareness and speed to pursue and tackle..

Besides the starters, or even including them, Was there a more impressive player in our preseason lb for lb?

Why I'm a little excited, is because Dion is not effective at this point and this kid can make plays while dion and the coaches figure out what their gonna do with him when he gets back..

Hickey should be commended for having signed this kid alongside Fede, and the rest of that free agent class.

McCain..Fede..Gator..A Johnson...that's a pretty impressive group..

He gives us a chance even with the suspension.

Alex13Alex13subscriber
Aug 29, 2014, 05:57 PM

i'm still nervous about him cracking the 53, lol

PhinFan1968PhinFan1968subscriber
Aug 29, 2014, 05:59 PM

"Alex13 wrote:

i'm still nervous about him cracking the 53, lol

Pfft...he's automatic.

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ROroy_miamiforum_veteran
Aug 29, 2014, 06:04 PM

I think thats exactly his role for the first 4 games. And it might even be hard for Jordan to dethrone him from that role when he returns....

djphinfandjphinfansubscriber
Aug 29, 2014, 06:09 PM

"Alex13 wrote:

i'm still nervous about him cracking the 53, lol

It's ok lil buddy..

djphinfandjphinfansubscriber
Aug 29, 2014, 06:15 PM

"roy_miami wrote:

I think thats exactly his role for the first 4 games. And it might even be hard for Jordan to dethrone him from that role when he returns....

Could you imagine that..


McCain seems like he's slitherman out there..should be fun to see if he can play at the very highest level in his very first game, I mean I'm sure Shelby will see most of Dions snaps but if I'm a coach I throw the kids talent out there, I think CK said it best in the game thread that made me laugh, it was like a, " yup, ok, ive seen enough, let that mother run around and play some football" moment..

JWjw3102forum_veteran
Aug 29, 2014, 06:31 PM

"djphinfan wrote:

I don't see why he can't do what Dion Jordan was going to do in this scheme and that is rush the passer in passing situations.

There is no other backup player on the roster with that type of pass rush talent, and that's the name of the game for these four games, make that speed package what it was intended to do..

McCain has some unique ability to get to the Qb without engaging with the lineman, very good slap rip move, very good acceleration, and just deeks, grooves and slithers his way to the Qb, sometimes with the great subtleness, if the opponent tries to run in those passing situations with draws or delayed stuff, he's got some awareness and speed to pursue and tackle..

Besides the starters, or even including them, Was there a more impressive player in our preseason lb for lb?

Why I'm a little excited, is because Dion is not effective at this point and this kid can make plays while dion and the coaches figure out what their gonna do with him when he gets back..

Hickey should be commended for having signed this kid alongside Fede, and the rest of that free agent class.

McCain..Fede..Gator..A Johnson...that's a pretty impressive group..

He gives us a chance even with the suspension.

I actually like McCain more in that role than I do Jordan. I know he was signed as an undrafted free agent and Jordan was the third pick in the 2013 draft, but right now McCain looks like the better player.

I would love to see Jordan get a chance to play an outside LB spot, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards with Coyle as the defensive coordinator. It is just a complete waste to try and make Jordan a DE, IMO.

gilv13gilv13forum_veteran
Aug 29, 2014, 06:34 PM

If I had a a gun to my head and I was forced to choose Jordan or McCain, , it would be Chris McCain.

Not to say Jordan won't turn out to be a good player, but at this point with 4 preseason games in the books, McCain is looking to be better player with a higher ceiling.

djphinfandjphinfansubscriber
Aug 29, 2014, 06:37 PM

"jw3102 wrote:

I actually like McCain more in that role than I do Jordan. I know he was signed as an undrafted free agent and Jordan was the third pick in the 2013 draft, but right now McCain looks like the better player.

I would love to see Jordan get a chance to play an outside LB spot, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards with Coyle as the defensive coordinator. It is just a complete waste to try and make Jordan a DE, IMO.

were in agreement on Jordan.

Slitherman was playing like a mad man against those scrubs, but it wasn't even a contest for him, along with his two sacks I saw five other legit wins against his opponent.

sports24/7sports24/7subscriber
Aug 29, 2014, 06:49 PM

I don't see him in Jordan's role. I think CK mentioned it somewhere else, that they are actually playing McCain in the role Jordan should be playing, and that makes a lot of sense. Playing McCain as a hand in the dirt situational pass rusher as a DE would be a mistake IMO. I think he's a guy with big upside though and they should find a way to use him.

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JMHPhinJMHPhinsubscriber
Aug 29, 2014, 06:50 PM

Love McCain heart. He is a player

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djphinfandjphinfansubscriber
Aug 29, 2014, 07:03 PM

"sports24/7 wrote:

I don't see him in Jordan's role. I think CK mentioned it somewhere else, that they are actually playing McCain in the role Jordan should be playing, and that makes a lot of sense. Playing McCain as a hand in the dirt situational pass rusher as a DE would be a mistake IMO. I think he's a guy with big upside though and they should find a way to use him.


Well, I'm confused, if they bring him in to rush the passer then that's what they were doing with Jordan, I want to see him rush the passer, where's the difference?

SceetoSceetoforum_veteran
Aug 29, 2014, 07:09 PM

At this point, I could replace him. My Grandmother may have a shot at replacing him.

7777FinFansubscriber
Aug 29, 2014, 07:20 PM

Yeah, sadly, not sure it would take a lot to replace what we got from him.

MrCleanMrCleansubscriber
Aug 29, 2014, 07:21 PM

"Alex13 wrote:

i'm still nervous about him cracking the 53, lol

Aww, that is just so adorable.

:shifty:

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MrCleanMrCleansubscriber
Aug 29, 2014, 07:23 PM

The only two teams to offer McCain a contract after the draft, were the Rams and us.

“... I hope I never ridicule what is wise or good. Follies and nonsense, whims and inconsistencies do divert me, I own, and I laugh at them whenever I can.”

― Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice

RickyBobbyRickyBobbyNew Member
Aug 29, 2014, 07:40 PM

"MrClean wrote:

The only two teams to offer McCain a contract after the draft, we the Rams and us.

We the rams and us?

MrCleanMrCleansubscriber
Aug 29, 2014, 07:44 PM

"RickyBobby wrote:

We the rams and us?

were, not we. Thank you.

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― Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice

NOnormaldudeNew Member
Aug 29, 2014, 08:18 PM

If Chip Kelly & the Eagles are still interested in trading for Dion Jordan, we should seriously consider it.

I think Dion Jordan is a great athlete, but I think he's on the wrong team. His ideal position is as a 3-4 OLB.

sports24/7sports24/7subscriber
Aug 29, 2014, 09:20 PM

"djphinfan wrote:

Well, I'm confused, if they bring him in to rush the passer then that's what they were doing with Jordan, I want to see him rush the passer, where's the difference?

He should be rushing the passer, but from the LB position. I don't think he's best suited to have his hand in the dirt like they had Jordan doing last year.

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djphinfandjphinfansubscriber
Aug 29, 2014, 09:54 PM

"sports24/7 wrote:

He should be rushing the passer, but from the LB position. I don't think he's best suited to have his hand in the dirt like they had Jordan doing last year.

I don't think Jordan is either..but I get what your saying.thing is, it looked like McCain got a lot of reps doing it as well no?

sports24/7sports24/7subscriber
Aug 29, 2014, 10:24 PM

"djphinfan wrote:

I don't think Jordan is either..but I get what your saying.thing is, it looked like McCain got a lot of reps doing it as well no?

Right. They both should be used the way McCain has been most of the preseason IMO.

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djphinfandjphinfansubscriber
Aug 29, 2014, 10:34 PM

"sports24/7 wrote:

Right. They both should be used the way McCain has been most of the preseason IMO.

could you imagine these two great athletes playing behind Vern and wake...??

JWjw3102forum_veteran
Aug 30, 2014, 05:58 AM

"normaldude wrote:

If Chip Kelly & the Eagles are still interested in trading for Dion Jordan, we should seriously consider it.

I think Dion Jordan is a great athlete, but I think he's on the wrong team. His ideal position is as a 3-4 OLB.

I have been saying the same thing for several months. I just don't see Jordan ever being a quality DE in the NFL. If the coaching staff doesn't want to move him to outside LB in a 3-4 defense, they should cut their losses and see what they can get for Jordan in a trade.

Alex44Alex44New Member
Aug 30, 2014, 07:50 AM

Dion Jordan needs to prove he needs replacing. I'm not as down on him as others are, I think he has done good things when on the field, but he hasn't proven we are even losing too much.

I do think McCain needs playing time.

On the draft Quentin Rollins bandwagon.

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