What came first, the chicken or the egg?

 

that was THE perfect response.

 

I am getting worried Tannehill will be as shell shocked as Carr was.

 

You said it, bud. It's beginning to look like teams have figured us out since the first three games.

 

Is it just me that is frustrated that we ran the ball a total of 9 times... I mean you have to mix it up some to keep the defense honest.

Personally I hated the play calling of the game, you can't run the ball 9 times a game and expect to be successful in the NFL, unless you are Peyton/Brees.

 

This made me burst into laughter

 

Yup. And thats why this game was huge. Nobody will take us serious anymore when we cant seem to figure out how to overcome our obvious weaknesses

 

Gotta work on consistency on offense. We do make some good plays, but we are inconsistent across the board. This includes everyone except the running backs.
I am not sure this running back squad can be saved.

 

have to do something, 2 division games coming up. Buffalo in Miami and at New England

 

NFL Network is reporting Ireland has signed Kieth Sims to a 2 Year 16 million dollar contract and Richmond Webb to a 1 year 8 million dollar contract. Problem has been solved. Don Shula is also coming in to consult. There are also reports Troy Vincent is interested in coming back for the right price. The ship is turning around folks.

 

Unfortunately I agree.. I was very optimistic about Miller during the off season. I'm not saying he doesn't have the potential to get there, I'm saying for whatever reason, he isn't there now. Yes the Oline takes a lot of blame for our puh-the-tic run game (I also blame our coaches especially Sherman) but I don't see our backs as play makers either. With big time play makers they find a way to move, cut, spin, juke, jump and make plays against all odds when it seems impossible. That's not happening for us in the run game. The good news is I believe Tannehill is 1 of our playmakers. The Oline fails him over and over and he takes sack after sack yet makes big plays. I just hope he can stay healthy enough to enjoy the fruits of a powerful Oline and running game in the future (if our GM can make it happen).

 

Few of my friends saw the 4th and 10 play. One of them, a jets fan, texting me afterwards and said "tannehills legit man. Your team let him down."

This game hurts bad but that was one ****ing hell of a play

 

Hmmm, rolling left and on point, what an interesting concept.

Hopefully this one play triggers his awareness button so we don't have to wait five more games to see it..

 

Yeah which has me wondering if he is being told to sit in the pocket. If I remember right Philbin made a comment last week eluding to the point he would rather have a QB who will stand in the pocket and let things develop rather than run from shadows. I don't know if its better or worse at this point.

 

Good point. He did have tendency for that.

 

How about practicing the ole QB sneak?

 

" Half you ever seen that movie scanners"

When the guys head explodes is how I feel when discussing this theory that were constricting Him to the pocket.

Maybe it's a coaching/Qb progression relative to teaching the position, and that's what kind of offense they want to be run..to not be multiple...

I mean if you look at new England's offense that's about as exclusive to the pocket as it gets.

 

The problem with that Philbin is, he wouldn't be running from shadows - he would be running from the 300 pound lineman currently terrorizing him.

 

Unfortunately, I don't see much that can be done to sole the o-line issue.

We have 3 guys starting who simply are not goo enough to be starters in the NFL right now in Martin/Jerry and Clabo. Forget scheme, these guys are just getting physically whipped and beaten 1 on 1 every game. I frankly put the o-line issues more on Ireland and the coaches.

I think the coaches need to let Tannehill loose a little more in the sense that he's got get out of the pocket. He's a sitting duck back there right now. Roethlisberger thrived behind a bad o-line because he ahd full freedom to move around and had the strength to simply shrug off tacklers. Not sure RT has that same skill but he can definitely move.

 

If we allow that in a progression based offense, doesn't that go against everything?, staying in the pocket and making the reads it's imperative to the offenses success, it's just seems like to run that progression style offense protection has got be #1 priority?, and obviously that isn't the case..

Bottom line, progression offense, requires great protection..

 

No system is worth getting RT killed. The goal is to win games, by any means necessary.

"F" the system.

 

Were in agreement...be multiple, and Ryan just needs to take some matters into his owns hands when on the field and facing that kind of pressure..

If you can't protect the Qb you can't run this system right?.i mean I'm not gonna pretend I know more than Sherm, the guy has been successful, but doesn't it make sense in this case?

 

I'm hoping Philbin has something in the binder that can answer what is going on with the o-line

 

Don't think that's totally fair, DJ, as seeing how he did it in the same game earlier. In the drive right before the half where we scored a TD, he took off from the pocket, rolled left, and hit Hartline coming back to him, who then spun up the field and got some extra yards.

There're other times where he could do it, but there's a whole lot of times, there's pressure coming from the ends and up the middle, and there's just nowhere to go. He tries to slip thru little gaps in the middle, but so far has been unsuccessful. While I think he's really good at throwing on the run, as a whole, I don't want him taking off and cutting the field in half at the first sign of pressure. If/when our line is better, I want him standing in and going through his progressions.

I agree it's frustrating taking the sacks. But I think it's a fine line of when to take off/when not to. Tannehill should probably throw the ball away a bit more, too. Of course, if/when he does, he may as well be ready for questions about his accuracy, because that'll be a lot more incompletions if he does it to avoid sacks he's likely to take.

As a whole, I think Tannehill is doing pretty darned well, given we don't have a running game, our receivers drop a lot of passes, our backs don't catch many but don't protect well, either, and the offensive line is leaky at best. The whole offense is on a guy who is learning as he goes. Let me repeat that - Tannehill is our offense right now. It's a lot to put on him, but so far I think he's handling it pretty well - all things considered.

 

I was speaking to Sherm on my first quote.

Rolling left rolling right, which is something he can do equally effective may cut off one side of the field when he does, but if used strategically in can stretch the minds of the defense and make them have to think about covering different areas of the field..why can't it be about misdirection and keeping a defense guessing while utilizing some of your strengths of your Qb and mimimilizing some of your weaknesses in your oline.

I too think there is a fine line that Tannehill and all of us here are trying to figure out when projecting his ceiling..

So when I read your post again runner, I'm thinking that you want him to continue to hang in there regardless of what kind of pressure his oline is putting him under?