Greg McElroy says he’s better prepared for the NFL than Cam Newton

I like him even more now. Confidence is one of the top qualities of successful NFL QB's. I'm warming up to McElroy in the fourth round.

and he's probably 100% correct

McElroy can make his progressions and stand in the pocket without wetting his pants. And he doesn't have one tenth the red flags that Cam does, and no childish illusions of being some sort of entertainer/underwear spokesman

given a full offseason, a rookie McElroy can probably do as well or better than Henne did this last season

"KingMotion wrote:

What was he supposed to say? It's not like he jumped up and said unprovoked that he is. The quarterback who doesn't say himself has no place in this league.

Especially in an area like preparation... Would any of you really say someone else was more prepared than you in, for example, a job interview?

"Yeah, that guy just works harder than me, but I'm still good!"

Its an ego driven league. YOU HAVE to think you are going to be the best.
If he said "eeeeehhhhhh I think I'm decent" it means his confidence isnt too high and he'd be done mentally when he struggles.

I agree. McElroy played in a pro style offense while Cam did not. McElroy was able to read the defense all by himself while Cam needed his entire offensive coaching staff to read it for him and send him signals before the snap. Cam has a stronger arm and can run faster...but that's about the only thing he is better at than McElroy.

"MarinePhinFan wrote:

I agree. McElroy played in a pro style offense while Cam did not. McElroy was able to read the defense all by himself while Cam needed his entire offensive coaching staff to read it for him and send him signals before the snap. Cam has a stronger arm and can run faster...but that's about the only thing he is better at than McElroy.

Your analysis is so overly-simplistic I don't know even where to begin. So I will only say this: you have no idea what you're talking about.

I posed the idea of drafting McElroy in the later rounds if available about 2 months ago, and most seemed to disagree with the idea.

For the record, I still think Henne has potential to be a solid QB.
Also, IMO the team that waste a 1st rd pick on Cam will be paying for it down the road....

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

Your analysis is so overly-simplistic I don't know even where to begin. So I will only say this: you have no idea what you're talking about.

What can Cam do better than McElroy other than throw the ball further and run faster?

Better passer rating;
better TD/INT ratio;
better mechanics;
better leader;
better work ethic;
better escapability in the pocket (think Vince Young);
harder to sack (think Big Ben);
taller;

And by the way, arm strength and speed is are two HUGE factors that should not be overlooked.

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

Better passer rating;
better TD/INT ratio;
better mechanics;
better leader;
better work ethic;
better escapability in the pocket (think Vince Young);
harder to sack (think Big Ben);
taller;

And by the way, arm strength and speed is are two HUGE factors that should not be overlooked.

Better passer rating? 170 to 180 for Greg and Cam in their senior season respectively. AND Greg played in a pro-style offense while Cam was spoon fed the reads from the sidelines.

Better mechanics? Seriously? Cam is ROUGH. Greg is a much better QB mechanic wise.

Better leader? LMAO! Greg lost 2...T-W-O games since high school. Cam started ONE season in college, was arrested for theft, and mired in a play for pay scandal. Hell, there is a great chance that he loses his Heisman and the NCAA takes away Auburn's National Title all because of him.

Better work ethic? You mean cheating and stealing are now considered work ethic? LOL!

Better escapability? Cam is faster, but Greg was sacked only 7 more times than Cam this season even though Greg is more of a traditional pocket passer. However, Greg has very good feet.

Harder to sack? Taller? Now you're reaching...How is ANY of this proving that Cam is better than Greg? Cam can throw harder and is faster. Yes, both great physical traits. However, when you throw it HARD to the defender rather than the WR because you can't read the defense how much does that trait matter? lol

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

Your analysis is so overly-simplistic I don't know even where to begin. So I will only say this: you have no idea what you're talking about.

No his analysis is on target. Its a league where intelligence is more important then just physical skill for a QB. McElroy has more if it then Newton does or is at least better prepared for the NFL game based on the fact he played in a pro style system where Newton played in a gimmick offense. McElroy reminds me a lot of Matt Flynn. hes got the resume and similar physical tools to Flynn but no press and his play is overlooked for shinier toys that will eventually show their flaws.

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

Better passer rating;
better TD/INT ratio;
better mechanics;
better leader;
better work ethic;
better escapability in the pocket (think Vince Young);
harder to sack (think Big Ben);
taller;

And by the way, arm strength and speed is are two HUGE factors that should not be overlooked.

Half that stuff means nothing. Its relative to what type of system you are playing in. All of Texas Tech's QB's had madden stats yet not one of them did anything in the NFL. Cam Newton will be a gigantic flop.

His mechanics are not better then McElroy's.
His leadership certainly isnt better then McElroy's. Leadership is part of character...Newton is a giant fail in that department. The guy stole stuff from his own teammates for christs sake.
His work ethic is better? How so? He envisions himself as an entertainer and focuses as much on that when you hear him speak.

Give me the guy with lesser talent and more intelligence over a player like Newton every time.

"MarinePhinFan wrote:

Better passer rating? 170 to 180 for Greg and Cam in their senior season respectively. AND Greg played in a pro-style offense while Cam was spoon fed the reads from the sidelines.

Better mechanics? Seriously? Cam is ROUGH. Greg is a much better QB mechanic wise.

Better leader? LMAO! Greg lost 2...T-W-O games since high school. Cam started ONE season in college, was arrested for theft, and mired in a play for pay scandal. Hell, there is a great chance that he loses his Heisman and the NCAA takes away Auburn's National Title all because of him.

Better work ethic? You mean cheating and stealing are now considered work ethic? LOL!

Better escapability? Cam is faster, but Greg was sacked only 7 more times than Cam this season even though Greg is more of a traditional pocket passer. However, Greg has very good feet.

Harder to sack? Taller? Now you're reaching...How is ANY of this proving that Cam is better than Greg? Cam can throw harder and is faster. Yes, both great physical traits. However, when you throw it HARD to the defender rather than the WR because you can't read the defense how much does that trait matter? lol

Look man, you asked me a question and I answered it. Then, you dismiss the validity and veracity of my answers. You were never looking for me to really answer the question. Rather, you were looking for an argument. I don't wrestle with people covered in feces. Even if you pin them, you get covered in it.

I stand behind my points as to what "other" things Cam does better than McElroy. You know, other than little things like run faster and throw the ball better.

"pocoloco wrote:

and he's probably 100% correct

McElroy can make his progressions and stand in the pocket without wetting his pants.

This.

I think Newton has great ability and potential. And, Don't know about McElroy's arm & overall accuracy. But there is no doubt in the world he's more prepared to run a pro style offense than Newton. Probably as prepared as any QB.

As smart as he is ... he could become a very good QB. But, at 6'2, 220 (Combine measurements), and not a strong arm (dare I say, Pennington-esque - when Chad first entered the league), there are question marks. But, if he shows Pennington-like ability he could become a serviceable starter and solid backup for several years. Wish he had measured out more like 6'3.5 and had a bit more zip. He'd then be very appealing.

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

Look man, you asked me a question and I answered it. Then, you dismiss the validity and veracity of my answers. You were never looking for me to really answer the question. Rather, you were looking for an argument. I don't wrestle with people covered in feces. Even if you pin them, you get covered in it.

I stand behind my points as to what "other" things Cam does better than McElroy. You know, other than little things like run faster and throw the ball better.

I wasn't looking for an argument. Your initial reply to me, however, had defensive and argumentative written all over it. I tried to reply cordially and respectively.

Your "answers" didn't really answer my question. That's the problem. If I asked you what 2+2 equaled and you replied "C"...I'd dismiss that. I didn't dismiss your "answer" this time though, I shot it out of the water.

1. You asked me what Cam does better than Greg.
2. I told you what Cam does better than Greg.
3. You responded by saying either (a) I was plain wrong and Greg is better at the "thing"; or (b) the "thing" Cam does better than Greg is unimportant when it comes to being a QB.

"MarinePhinFan wrote:

I wasn't looking for an argument. Your initial reply to me, however, had defensive and argumentative written all over it. I tried to reply cordially and respectively.

Your "answers" didn't really answer my question. That's the problem. If I asked you what 2+2 equaled and you replied "C"...I'd dismiss that. I didn't dismiss your "answer" this time though, I shot it out of the water.

Not really, you just presented your opinion. Saying one is better than the other is not a fact. Both are highly successful college quarterbacks.

Cam newton is a one year player and Greg is a two year player.

By your comparison of Greg to Cam, Greg should be considered a 1st round pick or a 2nd round pick. However Greg is considered a 4th round pick at best at this moment. It cannot be just his arm because Pennington was a first round pick.

GM may be more prepared but I see his upside as very limited. He tends to lock on receivers, his accuracy is good in the short range but nothing special on passes longer than about 15 yards, he doesn't have much ability to extend the play, he doesn't show particularly good anticipation, he doesn't show good eye discipline, his arm strength is adequate... there's more but basically, I see a stronger armed Josh Heupel. IMO he could eventually be a decent back-up. but I wouldn't bet on it.

He may be better prepared, but his physical tools, or lack thereof, are going to keep him from becoming anything other than a good backup at best.

If you feel the need to make this thread about Newton's race (either pro or against), keep it to yourself. This is a football board and football is what we will discuss. Demographics of any kind have nothing to do with a players ability to play.

"R&R Express wrote:

He may be better prepared, but his physical tools, or lack thereof, are going to keep him from becoming anything other than a good backup at best.

That's what was said about Brees and Brady too. Just to mention a couple.

"MarinePhinFan wrote:

You think I criticize Cam because he's black? He could be a purple, transvestite sloth for all I care. If he could play QB in the NFL I'd say he could play and want him on the Dolphins. If he "dominated" why does Greg have pretty much the same stats even though he has less athletic ability and played in a harder offense? Why aren't you pushing for McElroy? Hmmmmmm?

Cam will dominate the NFL like JMac and Leaf dominated...in the BUST catagory.

His response wasnt to you, it was to someone else who made a comment that was deleted. Let it go please

"Boik14 wrote:

His response wasnt to you, it was to someone else who made a comment that was deleted. Let it go please

No problem. :)

"MarinePhinFan wrote:

That's what was said about Brees and Brady too. Just to mention a couple.

It was also said about Josh Heupel, and many more people who are not NFL quarterbacks.

Also Brees was considered a 2nd round/low first round pick. A much better prospect than Greg. Brady has been the exception to the rule.

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

It was also said about Josh Heupel, and many more people who are not NFL quarterbacks.

Also Brees was considered a 2nd round/low first round pick. A much better prospect than Greg. Brady has been the exception to the rule.

I wonder what Favre, Warner, Bulger, Ken Anderson, Rich Gannon, Brian Sipe (MVP winner), Schaub, Brunell, Hasselbeck, Theisman, Brad Johnson, Lamonica, Fouts, Van Brocklin, Tarkenton, Montana, Starr, Staubach, and Unitas have to say about that?