I'm guessing there's still coal to be shoveled aboard the SFL train? Lucky, you wanna get on that bro? :shifty:

 

I still think the Colts will stick with Manning and trade the pick.

 

It must be nice to be able to vomit rainbows and piss rays of sunshine.

 

Rams would draft Luck, Bradford was payed a big chunk of his contract already, and the Vikings would draft Luck, they will want to sell out the new stadium when built, who is a better draw, Luck or Ponder?

And the Colts will take Luck also.

 

Dolphin's will f-it up. That's the one thing the team is good at, f-ing things up.

 

...assuming they haven't already

 

Very true, but in response to the OP slight chance scenario, they will "Suck at getting Luck".

 

Hope springs eternal.

 

Sometimes it burns when that happens, but usually it is quite refreshing.

 

This has to be the most important thread this year.

 

Mark this down now. Colts lose out the rest of the games. They needed one win to stop from becoming that team.. Now they will play **** players and scout for next year and draft Luck to replace Manning in 2 years..

 

Probably true, but no way Luck will accept sitting for 2 years.

 

Oh good God, will you guys give it up already???

The Miami Dolphins will NOT be drafting Andrew Luck!!!

 

I never said WE were getting him, I just think the Colts will trade the pick to the highest bidder. Is it not okay to believe that? No one thought the Texans would take Mario Williams.

 

We have Matt Moore though...............

 

Dolphins wouldn't trade up anyway. Jeff Ireland trade up? Not happening. We'll take whatever scraps are left and go 6-10, 7-9, or 8-8 in 2012. They've sucked all my hope.

 

Hey, we traded up for Danny Thomas didn't we?

 

All of you folks who seem to believe is we don't draft Andrew Luck, we're doomed to medicority REALLY don't know football. You're all quick to annoint Luck as the next Brady, Brees or Manning and while I'm not saying he won't be successful (although being a QB drafted number one overall historically hasn't worked out well), take a look at this season's division leaders:

AFC
New England Brady
Baltimore Flacco
Houston QB committee it seems
Denver Tebow

One elite QB out of 4 teams

NFC
New York Giants Manning
New Orleans Brees
Green Bay Rodgers
San Francisco Smith

Okay, you have three elite QB's in that group however collectively? 4 "elite" QB's and 4 average QB's, and all 8 teams are division leaders. Those teams without elite QB's are winning with a complete team package. Let Brady, Brees, Rodgers or Manning go down...like what happened to Indianapolis...those teams would be struggling.

Whether or not we elected to trade up to get Luck, whether or not we drafted another first round QB or whether or not we elected to draft another postiion is less relevent than who Miami "drafts" as their head coach next year.

 

We may not be doomed but we will be boned. :shifty:

 

Fixed.


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I don't want to trade up for Luck. (Though I wouldn't mind if they did) Trading up for RG3 or Barkley would be fine. Or finding a way to get Peyton Manning if he became available. I want them to finally make a splash. I would gladly take 3-5 seasons of Manning, considering I've never seen Miami get past the divisional round.

I don't really trust Jeff Ireland to absolutely hit it on one of the QB's outside the top 3. And it's not really QB why I believe we're doomed to mediocrity...it's because we have been for 10 years...and haven't really been a serious super bowl contender since maybe 1998? I just can't believe the 49ers are going to go 12-4 this season, when the Dolphins haven't been 12-4 or better since 1990.

I'll believe it when I see it. I used to be hopeful every season but that was all crushed. And since we've dropped from around 15th to 28th in attendance, guess I'm not the only one.

 

Let's see what QBs make it to the Super Bowl.

 

Charlie Casserly agrees with me, says the Rams, Vikings and the Colts would all draft Luck if in that spot, called it a nobrainer.

 

Charlie Casserly is also the same guy who passed on the no-brainer that was taking Reggie Bush at the #1 overall spot.

 

The Vikings would have to be damned fools to let the presence of Ponder on their roster preclude them from drafting Luck, if they end up at #1 overall. I could say the same for them also taking Barkley for the same reason that it's probably a major upgrade, if they pick 2 or 3. The rookie cap doesn't make it unrealistic anymore to draft QB in the top half of the 1st, two yrs in a row, IMO.

 

He won't have a choice, if he goes to the Colts and they keep Manning too. His only other option is hold out for a year, not play at all in 2012, and reenter in the 2013 draft. Not very likely.

 

Lord have mercy, Child. You are way too young to be so jaded already!

Sometimes I feel like a whole lot of people here seem to wake up with their knickers in a knot, a hangover from a dozen shots of ***** and moan and three of gripe and vetch, and then get up drink a hot cup of vinegar sweetened with gall to improve their disposition! I haven't heard moaning and cussing mixed like this since great-gramma got constipated and didn't like what the doctor told her.

Great Jumping Jehoshaphat..... lighten up, y'all!

 

The problem is that the colts were smart and so were most of the other teams , unfortunately the dolphins screwed themselves up by winning meaningless games. of course the games are not meaningless to the players but in the grad scheme of things we arenot in the playoffs for 13 out 14 years that isnt a good recipe. we need to lose the remaing games and move up or down however that works .


The bottom line there isnt enough good qbs coming out and we need to make a splash instead of drying up .

 

According to Bill Polian today on Sirius NFL radio... they won't be trading the pick if they end up with it. I'm sure he's maybe just blowing smoke right now, but he plain as day said it, also alluding to the fact that Caldwell will most likely be fired.

 

REALLY? I'll be your huckleberry. Let's examine your post line by line.

I know I've said Luck is worth a hefty price. I've never said that he would be the next Brady or Manning but I really don't know who has said THAT other than you to make this counter argument. The statement is more of a creation of your own in your own mind. What do I mean? I mean that NOBODY has said that Andrew Luck would be a HOF'er. That's who you just listed. Could we have some context around here in debate?

This is where you went all silly. With this statement, you actually reinforced the side of phantom that you are debating. Why? Five.... Count them! Five of the eight teams that you listed here have a quarterback that was drafted in the first round. Of the three that remain:

One was the 1st pick in the 2nd round.

One was acquired through DRAFT trade. The total draft cost? A switch of 10th to 8th overall and then the two succeeding years second round picks.

Only one was the potluck stew that would support your position. He only got in the game due to an injury to who? He would have bench fodder unless THE FIRST OVERALL in front of him had not got injured. The coach? He sucked! He was already run out of one town and dare I say that he would have been run out of the second town had it not been for the INJURY.

WTF? Why are you saying that if these FIRST ROUND PICKS go down their teams will fail? This doesn't support your position AT ALL. Was this a brainfart or something? Or did it just seem like it would make your argument sound better?

Which leads me back to this little nugget:

Sam Bradford - Are you giving up on him already? We gave Chad Henne four years. You are not willing to allow Bradford to finish two years before indictment?
Matthew Stafford - Ditto (except it's three years) and he didn't look too bad this Sunday in a fourth quarter victory.
Jamarcus Russell - Ultimate fail due to attitude. It ain't the skillset. How does that translate to Andrew Luck?
Alex Smith - Ain't he listed in your division winners?
Eli Manning - Ain't he listed in your division winners?
David Carr - Gawd! The expansion team of hell! Is this the pick or is it the expansion team?
Michael Vick - He just kicked the **** out of his....
Tim Couch - Ugh..... Another expansion team.
Peyton Manning - Oh! A HOF'er....What a great place to stop.

What does history show us about 1st overall and quarterbacks again? That's well over a decade listed there and if memory serves me correct there is a HOF'er on the list. There is two division winners (this year) on the list. And there is another that was in the NFC Championship just last year. Is that the history you were discussing?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight! Going back to the teams YOU mentioned earlier:

Indianapolis has the same coach they had last year. What happened?

Bill Bellichek will one day tell the truth. He coached the best on his worst teams in Cleveland.

The Ravens were 5-11 the year before Flacco got there. Got a superbowl winning coach fired by the way......

The Saints were 3-13 the year before Drew Brees got there. Got a coach fired by the way....

The Broncos were 1-4 before Tim Tebow started his first game of 2011.

The Giants were 6-10 before Eli Manning got there. Tom Caughlin was the coach then too.



The point? This is a quarterback driven league. How many players, coaches, analysts, fans, casual observers, or newborn babies have to say it before you understand it?

 

If only the powers that be have the balls to give up everything for Luck. Even the Rams may take Luck though, and try and trade Bradford. Someone will give up a 2nd for him...probably.

 

I can see Belichick doing something to try to land Luck?