Hartline and Moore counts for 4.615 cap hit.

My bad in the thread title, that's both contracts adding up to a 4.6 cap hit for this year..

Even better.

"djphinfan wrote:

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2013/03/11/miami-dolphins-use-just-4-615-million-in-salary-cap-space-on-wr-brian-hartline-and-qb-matt-moore-for-2013/

"The deals signed late last week by WR Brian Hartline and QB Matt Moore seem to be the rare “win-win:” The players got paid well and don’t have to worry about their contract situations anymore, and the Dolphins got cap-friendly deals that still give them plenty of room to spend in free agency.
The Post obtained a copy of both contracts, and while Hartline did get $30.775 million over five years, and Moore got $8 million over two years, the two deals will use just $4.615 million in salary cap space in 2013. Moore now has the 13th-highest cap number on the Dolphins, and Hartline is 14th.

So if you’re counting at home, Hartline received $12.5 million guaranteed (his signing bonus and first two base salaries), and $18.275 million of the $30.775 million is not guaranteed. Hartline received good money for a No. 2 wideout, but the contract is also heavily backloaded, protecting the Dolphins if Hartline’s play declines in later years."

Looks better.

The thread title is misleading. It is $4.6 million combined for both Hartline and Moore, as I understand it, with Hartline's deal taking up $2.1M of it and Moore $2.5M of it.

Hartline only counts $2.1M against the cap this year, Moore is $2.5M.

Next year Moore counts $5.5M but we save $4M of that if he is cut.

"djphinfan wrote:

My bad in the thread title, that's both contracts adding up to a 4.6 cap hit for this year..

Even better.

I guess our posts crossed each other.

Hartline only costing $2.115m against the 2013 cap is definitely good news, I was expecting $3-4m.

And the contract looks not too painful to get out of after the first two years...if we need or want to, which hopefully isn't the case!

"Fineas wrote:

I guess our posts crossed each other.

. I have two mistakes in the thread title, was rushing.

Fixed Title

Thanks NJ.

The amount of money actually changing hands for 2013 between the two players is $11.715 million. That means the Dolphins are deferring $7.1 million of DEAD WEIGHT into the future.

Always keep that in mind. Always.

People talk about "back loading" a contract and I'm not sure they realize that the salaries are back loaded in almost direct symmetry to the FRONT LOADING of the contracts in the way of bonuses.

Matt Moore is going to make $4.0 million in 2013. That's the money that will enter his bank account. His average contract value over the 2 year life of the contract is...wait for it...$4.0 million!

Brian Hartline will make $12.5 million in 2013 and 2014 (average: $6.25 million per year). That's the money that will enter his bank account. The average contract value over the 5 year life of his contract? Wait for it...$6.15 million! Funny how that works, eh?

This is why I always use the average contract values when I'm doing the napkin math about how much salary cap I have left. Oh sure, you can "massage" a little bit more out of it in the near term...at a ONE FOR ONE expense against your future salary caps. It's just borrowing. Nothing is free.

The good news is that now the NFL allows free transfer of cap space from present years to future years.

Are the Dolphins shoving $7.1 million of money paid into the future via dead weight? Absolutely. But they can counter that by maintaining $7.1 million in cap space under the 2013 Salary Cap, and then having that $7.1 million in cap space transferred to 2014.

Well done, Irish. I still hate you until we land shiny new toys.

Bout time we reap the benefits from the Dawn Aponte hiring!

The Hartline cap figure is nice work, good to see some attempt to offset that contract's impact on the cap in this particular season.

Move over Ozzie, ginger Jeff is on a roll.

no way Hartline sees the back end of that deal...he'll probably be cut in a couple years.

"LBsFinest wrote:

no way Hartline sees the back end of that deal...he'll probably be cut in a couple years.

I agree with this. I see both deals as short term rentals. Moore for 1 year, then he can be traded to a QB needy team for small value (6th or so) and Hartline for 3 years, then released most likely.

No, this is impossible. Everyone told me what horrible deals these were.

On a serious note, there was something I was thinking about today that I hadn't seen mentioned. How great will the Moore signing be if after some time the Dolphins feel good about Devlin as backup, and a QB needy team pays a decent draft pick in a trade for him? Not only would that give you peace of mind knowing you are in good shape at QB in the short term, but you can parlay that into future value.

"sports24/7 wrote:

No, this is impossible. Everyone told me what horrible deals these were.

Seriously?

If someone said to you that we shouldn't have paid Hartline $6.2 million a year, and that's why the deal is bad, what did any of these details change about that argument? They didn't change anything.

"sports24/7 wrote:

No, this is impossible. Everyone told me what horrible deals these were.

I love paying millions more for Hartline,Moore,and Starks
the same players who led us to a 7-9 season

I really am confused by what you do not like about the deal CK. Maybe the breakdown is a little confusing but its 2.5 this year, and after three years we can cut him for only one million, right?

"Crazy685 wrote:

I really am confused by what you do not like about the deal CK. Maybe the breakdown is a little confusing but its 2.5 this year, and after three years we can cut him for only one million, right?

The money paid to him is what is advertised. You're paying him $12.5 million over 2013 and 2014. Some people might think that's too much for a guy as physically limited as him. I happen to be one of them.

Whether you expense that $12.5 million over 2 or 3 years doesn't really matter to me. It's $12.5 million for 2 years of football service...at the least. It's $6.25 million a year.

You have to understand, now that the salary cap space is freely tranferrable from year to year, I think ultra long term. I don't think, hey I've got $123 million of cap space in 2013 woo hoo. I think more along the lines of, cool I've got $650 million to commit how I want over the next 5 years. Brian Hartline just took $12.5 million of that $650 million for 2 years of football. And if I want that to be 3 years of football it's going to cost me $18.4 million. And if I want it to be 4 years of football, it's going to cost me $24.5 million. And finally, if I want it to be 5 years of football, $30.6 million.

It's all in one big pot. Money paid is money paid. That's how you have to think of it.

Do I think Brian Hartline should get $6.2 million per year from us when there are so many other options out there cheaper? Personally, no. I don't think so. I'm not going to commit suicide over it. They accepted 60 cents on the dollar for fear of ending up getting a guy that turns out to be a bust.

So CK, if I am understanding what you are saying about the break down, they simply deferred the cap to later years and even if he were cut after the next season we will still be hit for 6.2 mil on the cap even with him being gone?

"Nappy Roots wrote:

So CK, if I am understanding what you are saying about the break down, they simply deferred the cap to later years and even if he were cut after the next season we will still be hit for 6.2 mil on the cap even with him being gone?

If by next season you mean this upcoming one (i.e. we only keep him 1 year) then yes, we are on the hook for his salary plus his accelerated bonus so it's not feasible to cut him after 1 year as it actually costs you over $4M against the cap.

If we cut him after 2 years we will get an accelerated one time hit of $4.2M for that year. Since he is scheduled to make $7.35M we get a cap saving of $3.15M.

So in a very simple formula, if Hartline doesn't perform and you cut him after 2014 you could sign a replacement on a 1 year deal for $3.15M your cap number is the same but you then get the big saving of $7.55M the next year (as that was Hartline's number for 2016).