I agree sanchez is doing ok but he isn't being asked to do a lot, but has been great protecting the football. Henne from what I've seen is now working on being more agressive but has not been very impressive in that respect.

 

Sanchez started out playing well and not turning the ball over, but these past weeks have been pretty rough on him. I'd take option C if I had to pick which one I'd rather have on this team.

 

I think both look like second year QB's who show flashes of "very good", mixed in with some "average" and "suck".

sent from my EVO 4G

 

Longest pass
Sanchez: 74
Henne: 46

yikes, wtf!

 

Wasn't that the pass to Braylon Edwards in Week 3 where Jason Allen fell down?

 

Exactly. Henne has all the ability, but lacks the experience right now. Anyone ever see Manning's stats his first couple of seasons?

1st season- 56% comp, 3739yds, 26 TD, 29 INT
2nd season- 62% comp, 4100yds, 26 TD, 15 INT


Henne is on pace for- 63% comp, 3600yds, 16 TD, 14 INT

Henne is still learning not only the offense, but the NFL in general. It takes time. It takes more than 21 games. He's not Marino or Manning.

Hell, anyone ever look at Montana's stats? The guy averaged 211 yds a game over his career. His INT% was 2.6. Henne's, right now, is 2.8. Montana completed 63% of his passes.

Now, for the dolts who will try and say I'm comparing Henne to Marino, Manning or Montana, I'm not. I'm comparing some ALL-TIME GREAT's first couple of seasons with Henne's. I am not expecting Henne to be another Montana or Manning or Marino. I am, however, expecting him to be our franchise QB.

 

probably, he had another deep pass yesterday in the 4th quarter against the lions, dropped right into edwards bread basket.

 

None of our WR's get behind the DB's on a regular basis.

 

1. I don't think Sanchez "sucks". He's average and improving as evidenced by his decision making, his 10 TD's (which equals last year) and 5 int's (which is 1/4 of what he thew last year).

2. I think completion percentage is an overrated stat. Pennington was the master at completing passes, but what did he ever win? It's not like Sanchez is wildly innacurate. His completion percentage is poor, but he doesn't miss by much.

Bottom line is that the QB is paid to move the ball on offense, protect the ball and help his team put the ball in the endzone. He's thrown the 10 TD's, turned the ball over 5 times, and the team is 13th in points scored. In that respect, he is doing far better than Henne.

I don't think Sanchez is great, but he's a serviceable QB that the Jets can win with.

 

ya it was 74 yards yesterday. so he has atleast 2 passes over 70 yards this year :pity:

 

No - it was yesterday's play to Edwards.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81beb2cc/Sanchez-goes-deep-to-Edwards-for-TD

Looked like an accurate pass to me.

 

dropped right in there like hennes to ginn last year :shifty: :wink2:

 

What has struck me about Henne's performance is how many of those 10 interceptions were not really his fault.

I mean, look at this game. First interception he throws to Brian Hartline who has slipped to the ground and is on his knees, opening the gates for Lardarius Webb to come right in and pick the ball off. Second interception, we're 6:45 left in the game down 13 points and once again Brandon Marshall goes in the tank. You could tell by his body language on the first throw which he dropped. Henne throws a slant to Marshall, throws it high like Marshall wants it, Brandon alligator arms the thing and tips it up for an interception. Third interception it's basically 30 seconds left in the game down by 13, I don't particularly care what the circumstances are there.

Then you look back. New England game, Brandon Marshall runs to the near hash when he should have run to the far hash, another self-destruction with the offense on the ropes down by multiple scores. Green Bay game, Marshall slips and even though he's supposed to come straight down his stem, he floats to the outside, opens the gates for Tramon Williams to pick the ball off. Jets game, final play in the end zone on 4th down, Roberto Wallace runs the wrong route and brings an extra defender into Fasano's area, that defender tips the ball up and it's picked off. Steelers game...final play, NOT even an interception at all, clearly. But even if it was it was in a totally understandable situation trying to win the game, can't find anyone open, scrambling to buy extra time, gets hit as he throws but puts the ball out there because anything can happen once the ball is in the air but only one thing can happen if he eats it straight to the ground.

Seven freaking interceptions and I don't cast judgment on him in the wrong for any of them.

 

It was a good throw. However, the WR beat his man and the Jests WR's do that often. I've seen Sanchez miss more of those throws than he makes though. He doesn't have a 53% comp rating for nothing, ya know? :lol:

 

He can complete 40% as long as the ones he completes go for touchdowns. FYI, those are the things most teams score more than one of per game. :lol:

 

I agree with you, but certain fans <cough>Marine<cough> swear by the stats. There are "not so bad" int's and there are "bad" int's. But then the stat proponents will say there are also passes that should be picked and aren't...so it all evens out.

 

while Henne isn't exactly leading the team to victories right now ... i absolutely believe at least a 'part' of it is that he has 2 options -- the intended WR and the check down .... is it him -- could be, but i'd rather believe that that is what he is being directed to do by the coaching staff.

regarding getting hit in the hands .... not many of his interceptions are a result of missing a WR in stride, they are more of the come back and out variety -- so some of the responsibility has to fall on the WR, either in creating separation or blocking the CBs ability to get to the ball ... it IS a joint effort. we can argue whether a ball should be inside or outside shoulder -- got it, but if a ball is within arms length of a WR -- dude just needs to catch the ball and move the chains. i'd much rather be complaining about YAC, than our ability to complete catchable passes - that is a mentality, just like finishing a run (like Ronnie actually did in the 1st half and cudos to him).

Henne needs to get better no doubt, but being hamstrung by the coaching staff and not being helped by his WRs isn't exactly helping either.

Sanchez just plain isn't better than Henne ....

 

Terry Bradshaw is in the HOF with a 51.9% carrer passing percentage and a 70.9 QBR. Some people think he was pretty good.

 

Except it doesn't all even out. I can only think of one pass that could have and probably should have been an interception, but wasn't. Devin McCourty came underneath one of Henne's passes in the Patriots game, getting some depth in his zone. He leaped up, had the pick in his hands, and couldn't come down with it.

That's the only one I can think of.

 

John Elway's completion percentage was 56.9%. I guess he sucked too.

 

Again, I thought we all agreed to not compare QBs across different eras anymore.

 

I missed the memo. My bad.

OK. Sanchez sucks and always will until he completes over 60% of his passes.

 

Peyton Mannings completion % was under 60% after two years in the league.

 

Once again you can't comprehend what I write.

Stats, over a season or a long period of time are the best way to judge how a player is doing. You can't just use one game or even 8 games to make an honest assessment. The reason is because ALL QB's have INT's that weren't his fault. All QB's get lucky with tipped TD passes. If you allow the numbers to grow, however, those types of things are fairly rare and will not affect his true INT% or TD%.

You trend the player (do you understand what trending is?) and you give the player enough time to build up stats before you make a concrete assessment.

Do you ever hear me saying that Henne will be as good as Marino or Manning? Do you ever hear me making any predictions about how Henne WILL be? No. He hasn't played long enough yet. However, when you take all 21 of his starts, he's playing nicely and he's IMPROVING. That's the key. ANd what I've seen from both Henne and Sanchez, SO FAR...Henne has him beat.

 

His completion percentage was 59%, and he threw for 7800 yards with 56 TDs and 43 INTs. He completely destroys Sanchez in every way. Don't even start to bring Peyton into this.

 

I love how you word your post. :lol: His second year he had a 62% comp rating. His first he had a 57%.

 

Barring injury, Sanchez will be the Jets starter for the next 10 years. I never said he would be great, but I do think they can win with him.

 

During Bradshaw's era completing 50% of your passes was like completing 60% today. WR's were raped on every play and QB's were smashed on nearly every throw.

 

suggs was damn close on one yesterday.......suggs even motioned to henne something about reading his eyes and was jawing at him....had me ****ting my pants

 

I hope you're right! :lol:

 

You know what? I'm not going to be dragged into a "our QB has been lousy, but at least yours has been lousy too" argument. The Jets are tied with for the best record in the NFL and are in first place. Sanchez has been good enough for the team to be 6-2, he has two 4th quarter comebacks this year and he hasn't singlehandedly lost a game for them like he did last year. Have fun tearing him down.

 

i hate the jets as much as the next dolfan, but its clearly wrong to say sanchez "sucks"

they wouldnt be winning if he did. hes not losing game.....grossman, harrington, carr....those guys suck(ed)

 

Only a Miami fan is allowed to, right? :lol:

 

Correct. You always hear coaches and former QB's state that you can't teach accuracy. You can teach timing, reading defenses etc, but you can't make a QB much more accurate the same way you can't make a RB much faster. They are what they are, physically, at this stage and will be, for the most part, their entire careers.

 

Comparing Henne to Manning is pretty damn dumb as well.