They do lack speed, he's certainly not wrong about that.

 

Odd, I thought BM and Bess have been our best players on offense game in and game out, granted Bess is not a burner but he really is not meant to be one, that isn't his role, and BM has held to his career averages in terms of YPC.

That leaves Hartline, Fasano, and the running backs.

And of course Henne hitting next to no plays deep down the field.....

 

It is convenient for him not to mention Hartline who has been a good YAC guy.

 

Breaking news!!!!! The Earth is round, grass is green, and the sky is blue!!!!!!!!!

 

what a joke! if Henning was the OC on a team that had speed, the offense would still suck! he needs to point the finger at himself. He's blaming every player on offense instead of blaming himself.

 

Odd isn't it? The real thing is, those guys are not hit with passes...down the field..we are back to teams simply playing us like every down is inside their 20 yd line so there are fewer passing lanes, fewer wide open players, fewer chances for YAC as the defenders are right on top of the offensive players.

The next question for everyone else is why hasn't that been addressed?

For myself, the answer is "because Chad Henne takes the check down and has poor field vision and will not, or cannot throw the ball into tight windows, nor hit deep passing plays"

 

And Henning lacks the speed to adapt to the game. He is the one that is slow.

 

he's got nothing to work with. why should he point fingers at himself. if you enter the indy 500 with a ford bronco you cant blame the driver for finishing last

 

haha i was reading this thinking "wow another week, another finger pointing by Henning." All of a sudden our offense woes are due to lack of speed? Please.

 

Forgetaboutit Adamp, Henning is sort of like witch that is being blamed for drought disease and crop failures whether they had anything to do with it or not, they will be blamed..

 

Could be becasue out guys lack seperation. Outside of Hartline, Its rare to see our receivers separate and throwing it down the field like that is dangerous. Wish Sheets was around :(


Edit: ugh...and dare I say...ginn?

 

you can't be serious! using your analogy, henning would be telling the indy 500 car driver to do the safe thing and not pass a car. then when you had good momentum he would tell you to pull over and let ronnie brown drive the car.

 

Disagree, Marhsall has plenty of separation, ditto Hartline, Bess not so much but that is due to where he runs his routes.

Put it this way, how many passes have you, me, or anyone seen off of Chad Henne's hands that travel over 20 yds down the field?

Back shoulder throws, fades, things like this just are not thrown by Henne very often.

 

Theres been many games this year where Bmarsh wasn't getting that much separation. And Bess does yes...but he rarely runs deep routs.

I hope sine we are out of the playoffs, then let Chad Henne have a field day. Let us see how he can really play without the coaches having to force him to play conservative. Im looking forward to it. But knowing this team...we'll still be playing for FGs :(

 

that's how henning wants him to play. at least that's what i gather from the play calling. how many plays are called where a route is ran 20+. not many. i think he's taught to let the deepest route be his last progression. they don't trust Henne. He tries to make something happen out of frustration when we're getting our butts kicked. have some faith in the man and change the play calling and you'll love Henne.

 

We also don't have a competent play caller.

 

The thing is we needed speed prior to last off season , not a secret that was just revealed.

For some reason this management did not think it was enough of a priority to address the shortcoming properly. It goes back to needing to do so many things right to win , that you leave so little room for error .

To me this has Bill Parcell's finger prints all over it , to me it reeks of stubborness and a reluctance to adapt or realize the changing ways of this league.

How much Ireland differs from Parcell's blueprint I guess is the $64,000 off season question that Ross will give us his answer to shortly I imagine.

 

and yet he's driving in a bronco so henning knows he cant pass any cars

 

Is top notch speed and a returner worth a 5th rounder? :shifty:

 

to me it just reeks of having too many holes to fill and concentrating on defense instead of offense last year. If we dont address it this year then I will wonder. Sounds to me like Henning is advocating for the Dolphins drafting AJ Green lol

 

I call bull**** on Henning. Our offense should have no problem opicking up chunk yardage. Seen way worse Dolphins offenses do more with less. This is clearly Henning trying to save face and his own reputation as an OC. I won't sit here and deny that we could use some more speedsters. But you don't need to have the fastest players to obtain big play offense. Ronnie hasn't had the run blocking he used to so his big plays have gone down. Plus they don't feed him the rock nearly enough. Bess and Marshall are some of the best WR's in the game at their positions. Hartline, one of the slowest has put up some of the biggest plays of the year. Convenient that Henning doesn't even mention Hartline.

Henning is a joke!!!!!

 

I'm sure the 49ers would trade him for a conditional 7th round pick after this year.

 

that part made me respect henning a little more.

 

well we got carroll which will probably pay off next year but it sure does hurt this year

 

If productive? Absolutely imo ...

 

Allow me to translate for everyone:

 

so you saddle henning with a young QB who still hasnt figured out the game, destroy his offensive line so he cant run effectively and then take away his only speed WR and saddle him with guys who all run over 4.5 and then you expect him to take the blame for not turning that into a scoring machine?

 

That’s not exactly what he’s saying, nor is that the roster situation in 2010.

If Henning truly believes that the problem is a lack of speedy players, then why didn’t he adjust his playcalling to compensate? Sure, he doesn’t call very many deep throws, but why call for intermediate passes if you don’t think the team has the speed to make them work?

Henning isn’t the only problem, but he definitely stands out as the leading problem.

 

That was last year , previous years they drafted offensive players though , but not of the explosive , dynamic vein .... I can understand thinking/making defense a priority las year , but when they chose to draft offense they did not select speed , explosion , or dynamic ability.

That to me is a regime preference , again , I feel a lot of this is a typical Parcell's blue print , we have yet to really know if it is also an Ireland one.

 

Please stop with the nonsense. Henning went to the wildcat on in the red zone last week on the 3rd to last drive. Ronnie got 1 yd. Henne comes on the field and throws a TD on 2nd down. On the next drive, Henning, having not understood that Buffalo had an answer for the play, goes WC on 2nd and 10. He calls the same play but to the left side. Ronnie gets one yard, again. Shocking.

On the last drive. Its 1st and 10 from the 20. 41 seconds to go, no timeouts remaining. Do we go 3, 4, 5 wide and stretch the field? No. We go base. 2 backs, 2 WRs, and Fasano. Lousaka Polite is in the game at FB for stupidity's sake. If you're a moron, you might think that using that personnel grouping in that situation is a good idea. But if you have even an ounce of common/football sense, you realize that you've done the defense a huge favor and basically guaranteed that we're not going to be able to throw down the field.

I'd love to hear Henning explain why he went to a 2-2-1 grouping with 41 seconds to go in the game. But he wont do that. He'll just blame Bess for not being fast enough, or Henne for whatever shortcoming he feels like spotlighting in that particular press conference. The guy calls IDIOTIC plays at the most inopportune times, and then goes in front of the microphone and bashes his players. It's disgusting.

There is NO WAY you can expect a QB to throw down field in that spot, with only one target (even Marshall is slow BTW) even capable of getting down field ahead of the pass rush. Any defense with a brain and a pulse is going to play over the top of BM, take him away, take away all of the deep passing windows, and force the ball to go underneath. And that's exactly what happened. Of course with no timeouts, there was no chance to change groupings after the pass to Bess. Not that Henning would have changed up, b/c if he's too dumb to spread the field on 1st down with 41 seconds to go, why would he suddenly wise up on 2nd down with 30 seconds to go? The guy is incompetent, plain and simple. Henne is no Brady to be sure, but to hear the OC come out and bash his players AGAIN, after what he did at the end of the game last week is an insult to not only the players, but an insult to the intelligence of anyone with a clue and a TV set.

 

disagree. personnel is the leading problem. you win with players not coaches

 

These people have no clue...ALL of a sudden the team doesn't have any speed

Last season we had 29 passes of 20 yards or more...31st in the NFL
This season we have 37 passes 20 yards or more...27 th this season

How many wide receivers with the speed to change these stats were drafted?
I'll tell you seven defensive players and 1 OFFENSIVE player...John Jerry

Brandon Marshall joined us but is he a deep threat?

The other 2 wide receivers that were signed as free agents have hardly played


31st rated in the NFL in passes 20 yards or more and NOTHING IS DONE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM
Says a lot about Ireland,Parcells,Sparano,and Henning

Rushing last season we had 9 rushes of 20 yards or more 20th in the NFL
another poor showing and what have we done to solve that problem
How many offensive play makers with speed did we draft?

This season with Sparano's tinkering and Ireland buying the groceries
on the offensive line we are now 29th in the NFL with
ONLY 4 rushes 20 yards or more

Justin Forsett (WHO) has as many 20+ rushes as our entire OFFENSE

To say we don't have any speed on offense is not a REVELATION
it's a crime since these idiots have known this all last season and this season
AND HAVE DONE NOTHING ABOUT IT

 

well if the regime is kept in place we will see what ireland is made of. so far the guy is a genius when it comes to defense and pretty poor when it comes to offense. but like you say maybe that was parcells.

 

so you dont like our defense? cant build rome in a day

 

Yep, that is my take as well, and I also think Sunday's game is hugely important for Sparano, and avoiding a blowout or pulling out a win in New England is, but to a lesser extent.

 

Are you expecting Henne to just throw down field into a two deep look when the defense is expressly taking those routes away? Because if he does, the passes will be INC or INT and then you'd be bashing Henne for forcing the ball into coverage. We don't have any deep threats on this offense. We have no one who can run past anybody consistently, we have no one who can take a short pass for a long gain. Henning is right when he says that. Other teams know this, and they defend our passing game accordingly. Football can be very complex, but sometimes, it can be very simple. No speed, no quickness, no big play ability = no big plays.

 

While I love the tag teaming and all, suggesting that Henning has nothing to work with is as equally ludicrous an assertion as saying he is entirely to blame (which, by the way, I haven't seen anyone suggest). Can we just cut this out? Please?

 

and yet you still blame henning

 

Because..he has already adjusted the play calling?

Henne...will..not..throw..the..ball...down..the...field.

And when he does, he is not very accurate, that is exactly what the advance scout said in the other thread, so Henning has to call a check down/inside 15 yds passing game.

What Henning is basically saying is those same plays, tossed to Chris Johnson/Desean Jackson/whomever would create more explosive outcomes, but the guys we have are not those guys.

There are reasons why I am so down on Chad Henne, this is one of them we basically play a very simple offense which a catch and tackled quickly outcome.