Here is out Oline as of 3/18/13

I don't see why Jerry can't play RT (at least as well as he played RG), as I've always thought he's done fairly well when put on the edges in the past.

I don't remember seeing him at RT here, what games did he play RT ?

"mommabilly wrote:

I don't remember seeing him at RT here, what games did he play RT ?

He played it at Ole Miss.

"mommabilly wrote:

I don't remember seeing him at RT here, what games did he play RT ?

It may not have happened at all last year, but he's done it before I am certain. I think he may have even played LT a couple plays here and there (maybe that was preseason though?).

I know he played it in college but and I may be wrong but John Jerry has had weight " issues ". Its a know fact the staff has problems with that. We had not choice last year as Murtha had the foot issue and never made it to camp or made it then got injured, again, We needed Garner as the backup OT and deemed not a starter. So we had to go with Jerry as Samuda just was not ready.

John Jerry had better be in shape and have his Sh(*&t together this year in OTAs or he is going to get his walking papers this go round. I believe they find someone that could replace him. I like Kyle Long, Oregon in the third round.

I think they need to figure out what they have at the bottom with guys like Samuda and Yeatman.

True on Samuda and Yeatman but we need to get something now thru FA or if not then we are definately doing something early in the draft. We cannot go into camp depending on Martin being better and Samuda and Yeatman as potentially being starters or one of them as a starter.

We need something firm and guaranteed as a starter especially at RT or LT or something for now. IMO Jerry is not going to be a starter this year.

"maynard wrote:

I think they need to figure out what they have at the bottom with guys like Samuda and Yeatman.

While possibly true, I think we're looking at signing around 10 FAs still (albeit some may just be camp fodder), which means up to 3 OL still IMO (though one may be Garner).

"mommabilly wrote:

True on Samuda and Yeatman but we need to get something now thru FA or if not then we are definately doing something early in the draft. We cannot go into camp depending on Martin being better and Samuda and Yeatman as potentially being starters or one of them as a starter.

We need something firm and guaranteed as a starter especially at RT or LT or something for now. IMO Jerry is not going to be a starter this year.

Agree. I get a little frustrated seeing other teams have unheralded lineman playing well, at least for a couple years

I would prefer to sign a FA tackle and draft a T or G on day 2. No I don't Jerry is the answer there, but I'm guessing he starts at at G

"mommabilly wrote:

I don't remember seeing him at RT here, what games did he play RT ?

Buffalo before they had Mario

"PhinsRDbest wrote:

Buffalo before they had Mario

Thanks, do not remember that, will have to watch it. Was that this year or last year ?

"mommabilly wrote:

Thanks, do not remember that, will have to watch it. Was that this year or last year ?

last year, Buffalo's pass rush was non existant'

EDIT: I'm sorry that is when he stepped in for Jake Long at LT, not RT

Well will not bother looking at it then if the pass rush was non existent, thats not happening too many games LOL

Technically Will Yeatman is current default starter at RT

"Stitches wrote:

It may not have happened at all last year, but he's done it before I am certain. I think he may have even played LT a couple plays here and there (maybe that was preseason though?).

When Long went on IR in 2011 he stepped in to play LT

"padre31 wrote:

When Long went on IR in 2011 he stepped in to play LT

This. I know he started the game against Buffalo when Reggie Bush went off and I believe he finished the season at LT. Guy just has to get his weight in check.

Stitches, how you like the mock?

It is looking a little weak and thin, but at least it isn't like we invested some high draft picks on the OL over the past 5 years including a couple of 1st round picks.

Oh wait, never mind.

Seriously though, considering Miami has invested the following picks in the draft #1, #15, #42, #73, #110, #181, #195 over the last 5 years on the OL that is a sad state of affairs imo.

I'm pretty sure were going to be aquiring a front line tackle here soon.

Yeatman a much better prospect, then some people think. Two college sport star, who could be perfect for ZBS. Remember he making the switch from TE to OT. Might take a while, but he could end up being a real good NFL lineman for us. New England was pissed when we stole him from them. So do not sleep on this kid.

"mommabilly wrote:

I don't remember seeing him at RT here, what games did he play RT ?

He did play some LT late in 2011 after Jake got hurt and didn't totally embarrass himself. Looked much better than Garner, who played there most of the Eagles game that year.

Jerry played every snap at RG in 2012 and his pass blocking efficiency was 18th among guards. Richie was tied for 6th. So considering 64 starting guards that isn't a bad pair at least for pass blocking.
Jerry had 553 pass block snaps and allowed 20 total pressures, which is sacks, hits and hurries combined, for a pct of 97.2%
Richie had 548 pass block snaps and allowed 15 total pressures for an efficiency pct of 97.8%
Pouncey was tied for 1st in pass blocking efficiency among centers with Stefen Wisniewski at 99%. 7 total pressures in 553 pass block snaps.

Martin was the 3rd worst tackle at 92%
Eric Winston was 25th at 94.8%. That is very close to what Volmer, 95.5%, and Andre Smith, 95.6%, were.

Back in 2008, for a little perspective, rookie Duane Brown was the 2nd worst pass blocking tackle at 91.8%.
2009, he was 9th worst at 93.3%. 2010, he was 19th best at 95%. 2011, he was 8th at 96.1%
In 2012 he was 5th at 97%. Maybe that will give some of us a little hope that Martin can similarly improve.

"AdamC13 wrote:

It is looking a little weak and thin, but at least it isn't like we invested some high draft picks on the OL over the past 5 years including a couple of 1st round picks.

Oh wait, never mind.

Seriously though, considering Miami has invested the following picks in the draft #1, #15, #42, #73, #110, #181, #195 over the last 5 years on the OL that is a sad state of affairs imo.

Most everyone here knows all that. What do you suggest? Just cry, whine and complain about it, or try to suggest ways the line can be improved?

"AdamC13 wrote:

It is looking a little weak and thin, but at least it isn't like we invested some high draft picks on the OL over the past 5 years including a couple of 1st round picks.

Oh wait, never mind.

Seriously though, considering Miami has invested the following picks in the draft #1, #15, #42, #73, #110, #181, #195 over the last 5 years on the OL that is a sad state of affairs imo.

Have you compared it to what other teams have invested along the O-line. I think if you did you'd be very surprised to know that Miami is pretty much in the middle of the pack (maybe the lower middle IIRC) when compared to all 32 teams in terms of assets spent on the OL.

"mommabilly wrote:

Left Tackle Jonathan Martin
Left Guard Richie Incognito
Center Mike Pouncey
Right guard John Jerry
Right tackle

Lets say Martin does come on strong we need, IMO
a right guard to replace Jerry
a Right tackle to replace Martin

We get two decent people on the right side we will be fine if Martin holds his own.

I am not mentioning the guy who has a last name opposite of short anymore, he is gone as we all should forget about him. IMO humble opinion, he was nothing to write home about for the last two years anyway.

That is a scary prospect when you consider that Tannehill is only heading into his second year as an NFL QB. I don't trust Martin at LT and no one ever knows what you will get from Jerry. I would rather see the Dolphins sign Vollmer or Winston, or trade for Albert. They could put this player at LT and return Martin to RT.

They should then draft Warmack with their first round selection.

This would leave them with:
Vollmer-Winton- or Albert- LT
Incognito - LG
Pouncey - C
Warmack - RG
Martin - RT

Now that would be an offensive line I would feel a lot more comfortable with and Tannehill should too.