Here's What's Wrong With Cutler...Give Me A Minute...Wait I Know There Has To Be Something...

"Rickysabeast wrote:

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article165971317.html#storylink=rss

Armando nails it. There is no reason right now that you can cite that is an issue with Cutler. In fact, you could argue we might have minutely upgraded from T-Hill. I for one am immensely proud of the Dolphins Execs for saving the season. We basically found the magic 1up mushroom just as King Koopa killed us by opening the fire drawbridge (If you don't understand this reference there's rat poison and a spoon in the cabinet you'll be missed).

Super Mario reference is post of the year

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"dirtylandry wrote:

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I need like a custom signature saying that. I shall bequeath it to the poster of the year for 2018.

If Cutler can play to the form he did under Gase in Chicago, there's nothing wrong with this move as it gives us a QB already knowledgeable with Gase's offense but if he can't...

Getting back to the article. In coach Gase's opinion MM is not a 16 game starter. I do blame the organization for undervaluing RTs injury and not adding personnel sooner, even Cutler. They were lucky to find a system guy. This org has to do a better job protecting the franchise with better OLinemen and qb's

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The only thing I'd like to see is he needs to work on eliminating the word "they". It needs to have already been "We and Us" before the PC yesterday. I know it seems like I'm splitting hairs but it's a very big deal. Hopefully, he focuses on that.

To me, the only way he can screw up (besides not throwing well and making bad throwing decisions) is to not tread lightly the first couple days. The team morale thing is a gossamer string tight rope. He needs to show respect to all the work everyones put in and just show how grateful he is to have gotten the opportunity to come and help out. The focus needs to be on beating those sixteen enemies on the schedule.

If MM goes down, at least we have someone halfway decent, beggars can't be choosers after all, but we have to hope MM makes it through the season if we have any chance of making some noise, because captain TO isn't taking us anywhere.

208 TDs - 146 INTs, a low number of TDs and a high number of INTs, it's about 3 INTs for every 4 TDs, not once in his career has he had a 2-1 TD/INT ratio, and that's the low water mark for acceptable, nor has he ever thrown for 30 TDs, he avgs 19 TDs and 13 INTs per year.

Jay Cutler is a cautionary tale, don't be blinded by physical talent, he's been a below avg QB his entire career, yet his ability to throw the ball keeps teams trying, and failing, to get his potential out of him, and in truth, it's my fear with RT as well.

Jay Cutler is a good back up, that's about all he is imo though.

"Finster wrote:

If MM goes down, at least we have someone halfway decent, beggars can't be choosers after all, but we have to hope MM makes it through the season if we have any chance of making some noise, because captain TO isn't taking us anywhere.

208 TDs - 146 INTs, a low number of TDs and a high number of INTs, it's about 3 INTs for every 4 TDs, not once in his career has he had a 2-1 TD/INT ratio, and that's the low water mark for acceptable, nor has he ever thrown for 30 TDs, he avgs 19 TDs and 13 INTs per year.

Jay Cutler is a cautionary tale, don't be blinded by physical talent, he's been a below avg QB his entire career, yet his ability to throw the ball keeps teams trying, and failing, to get his potential out of him, and in truth, it's my fear with RT as well.

Jay Cutler is a good back up, that's about all he is imo though.

Hasn't anyone told you? Jay Cutler is the starter.

MM would not make it through an entire season and I doubt his arm would either. He doesn't have the physical stature.

I will be surprised if Moore is the starter. I can't see Cutler leaving retirement to come in and be the backup.

Cutler has a better td to int ratio than Moore. Not by much, but its better. I mean all those things you're saying about Cutler apply equally to Moore.

"resnor wrote:

Cutler has a better td to int ratio than Moore. Not by much, but its better. I mean all those things you're saying about Cutler apply equally to Moore.

It's been a different story since MM got here, he has an 88.8 rating as a Dolphin, about a seasons worth of stats, and the bulk of these stats were when he took over a disaster winless team, who lost the QB, and the HC, and he got that team going in the right direction, winning.

Last year, with playoffs on the line vs 2 division teams we struggle against, he plays great and helps secure a playoff birth.

MM has done nothing but earn a starting job with the Miami Dolphins, I'm not sure why people aren't seeing that, imho.

OK this is getting out of hand now!!!!!! Jay cutler won 6 games and came in last in 2015!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why is everyone so stuck on one yr like he went to the superbowl, if you want a 1 yr to use as a benchmark then go with Favre's year at Minnesota!!!! cutlers yr in 2015 was decent but if you don't win then who cares!!!!!! a 2-1 td to INT ratio is decent wait check that just under 2-1 but everyone is acting like its was 3-1 or even 4-1 a starting qb check that a 10 yr qb should easily avg 2-1 a yr, and everyone is boosting it up like he was an mvp!!! and if I recall he got no MVP votes!!!! cam ran away with it. So stop looking at 1yr of 11 a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. Why cant people call it what it is, this is a spur of the moment signing on emotion for GASE MM has done enough to start and IMO if I were him id be pissed unless he likes getting paid to not play but he looks like too much of a gamer for all that. You can have high hopes all you want but this is just a lot of money for nothing and cutler wont win 12 games.

what's unfair to MM if they are having a battle is that he is going to have to play Thursday and next week and cutler is going to get to come in and play games 3 and 4 with the starters MM is getting the shaft and its sad.

to quote cutler: "Im a qb I don't have to be in shape" pretty much explains everything to me!!!!!

"resnor wrote:

Cutler has a better td to int ratio than Moore. Not by much, but its better. I mean all those things you're saying about Cutler apply equally to Moore.

your comparing apples to freaking hamburgers right now, cutler is a starter playing with starting players in practice and starter playbook, MM has played with backups his whole career and ask to come in on limited starter time on a 4 page playbook and succeed, in all honestly your argument is better for matt moore!!!! common Resnor you usually come with the heat keep it 100!!!!! you cant compare a backup to a starter you know that!!!!!

"bigballa2102 wrote:

OK this is getting out of hand now!!!!!! Jay cutler won 6 games and came in last in 2015!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why is everyone so stuck on one yr like he went to the superbowl, if you want a 1 yr to use as a benchmark then go with Favre's year at Minnesota!!!! cutlers yr in 2015 was decent but if you don't win then who cares!!!!!! a 2-1 td to INT ratio is decent wait check that just under 2-1 but everyone is acting like its was 3-1 or even 4-1 a starting qb check that a 10 yr qb should easily avg 2-1 a yr, and everyone is boosting it up like he was an mvp!!! and if I recall he got no MVP votes!!!! cam ran away with it. So stop looking at 1yr of 11 a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. Why cant people call it what it is, this is a spur of the moment signing on emotion for GASE MM has done enough to start and IMO if I were him id be pissed unless he likes getting paid to not play but he looks like too much of a gamer for all that. You can have high hopes all you want but this is just a lot of money for nothing and cutler wont win 12 games.

what's unfair to MM if they are having a battle is that he is going to have to play Thursday and next week and cutler is going to get to come in and play games 3 and 4 with the starters MM is getting the shaft and its sad.

to quote cutler: "Im a qb I don't have to be in shape" pretty much explains everything to me!!!!!

That to me, is Cutler in a nutshell, I don't think he's ever cared about football except for what it could do for him, it's like a clock in and clock out job for him.

That's why he needs "body language" coaching, lol, so he can try to hide how he feels, iow, ACT like he cares that he just threw another INT, lol.

"Finster wrote:

That to me, is Cutler in a nutshell, I don't think he's ever cared about football except for what it could do for him, it's like a clock in and clock out job for him.

That's why he needs "body language" coaching, lol, so he can try to hide how he feels, iow, ACT like he cares that he just threw another INT, lol.

hahah man, you hit the nail on the head, his body language is horrible, ive always said he was a paycheck player. The fact his wife had to talk him into playing is a big red flag, he is 2 games under 500 for his career and you better believe if he was a gamer he would have played for the browns to make sure he wins and try to prove people wrong about him. but no his wife and a 10 mill check brought him back.

I agree that we are just as well off, and maybe better off with Cutler, depending on how thankful he is to be playing again after what probably was an earlier than expected retirement. He should keep his head straight for a year or even 2 like most headcases. Even Randy Moss was fine for a couple of years before he called Brady a girl in the locker room.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Cutler is some superstar, or that he deserves to be the starter. Honestly, i don't see much difference between him and Moore. That being said, I definitely question Moore being able to get through a season.

I watched a lot of Cutler video over the past two days and at times, he is awesome. But then there are times where he looks like he could care less that he just threw the game away on two consecutive picks. I'm not sure how much a person like that develops after already retiring once- he may have an incredible year but it can also be incredibly bad.

With Matt Moore we know what we get- a guy who doesn't have Cutler's arm but makes up for it in communication and vision. Sure, he's one hit away from being retired, but I also think he's our best chance of winning now.

Reading some of these posts, youd think Cutler won "Quarterback Idol"...he wasnt selected by fans or by a blind drawing. The people who put together a roster that won 10 games last year thought he was a good idea. Adam Gase, whose coached both plsyers, thinks Cutler is better than Moore, all of our opinions and stats notwithstanding.

"Finster wrote:

If MM goes down, at least we have someone halfway decent, beggars can't be choosers after all, but we have to hope MM makes it through the season if we have any chance of making some noise, because captain TO isn't taking us anywhere.

208 TDs - 146 INTs, a low number of TDs and a high number of INTs, it's about 3 INTs for every 4 TDs, not once in his career has he had a 2-1 TD/INT ratio, and that's the low water mark for acceptable, nor has he ever thrown for 30 TDs, he avgs 19 TDs and 13 INTs per year.

Jay Cutler is a cautionary tale, don't be blinded by physical talent, he's been a below avg QB his entire career, yet his ability to throw the ball keeps teams trying, and failing, to get his potential out of him, and in truth, it's my fear with RT as well.

Jay Cutler is a good back up, that's about all he is imo though.

Finster? Are you high? You do know that MM is not the starter, right? He has half the talent of Cutler and has been a back-up his entire career for a reason. I love the guy because he can come in and win a few games if the starter goes down, but that's all he is...a stop gap.

"Finster wrote:

It's been a different story since MM got here, he has an 88.8 rating as a Dolphin, about a seasons worth of stats, and the bulk of these stats were when he took over a disaster winless team, who lost the QB, and the HC, and he got that team going in the right direction, winning.

Last year, with playoffs on the line vs 2 division teams we struggle against, he plays great and helps secure a playoff birth.

MM has done nothing but earn a starting job with the Miami Dolphins, I'm not sure why people aren't seeing that, imho.

You can't compile 7-8 seasons worth of games, call it a "full season" and then claim a player as starter material. There's a reason Moore isn't the starter even AFTER RT went down.

"bigballa2102 wrote:

OK this is getting out of hand now!!!!!! Jay cutler won 6 games and came in last in 2015!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why is everyone so stuck on one yr like he went to the superbowl, if you want a 1 yr to use as a benchmark then go with Favre's year at Minnesota!!!! cutlers yr in 2015 was decent but if you don't win then who cares!!!!!! a 2-1 td to INT ratio is decent wait check that just under 2-1 but everyone is acting like its was 3-1 or even 4-1 a starting qb check that a 10 yr qb should easily avg 2-1 a yr, and everyone is boosting it up like he was an mvp!!! and if I recall he got no MVP votes!!!! cam ran away with it. So stop looking at 1yr of 11 a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. Why cant people call it what it is, this is a spur of the moment signing on emotion for GASE MM has done enough to start and IMO if I were him id be pissed unless he likes getting paid to not play but he looks like too much of a gamer for all that. You can have high hopes all you want but this is just a lot of money for nothing and cutler wont win 12 games.

what's unfair to MM if they are having a battle is that he is going to have to play Thursday and next week and cutler is going to get to come in and play games 3 and 4 with the starters MM is getting the shaft and its sad.

to quote cutler: "Im a qb I don't have to be in shape" pretty much explains everything to me!!!!!

Using wins to judge a QB has got to be the craziest thing ever. I know it's an old question, but do you also think Dilfer, Johnson, Williams, Plunkett, Namath, Aikman, Simms, Hostetler, Eli, Big Ben, (and I could go on) are all better QB's than Marino?

No one is "stuck on one year". What people are excited about is how well Cutler played on a Gase coached, depleted Bears team. The Dolphins are a Gase coached team with MUCH better skill position players. Gase was able to get the most out of Cutler behind maybe an even worse o-line than the Dolphins have with much worse WR's.

"resnor wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Cutler is some superstar, or that he deserves to be the starter. Honestly, i don't see much difference between him and Moore. That being said, I definitely question Moore being able to get through a season.

Res, my man, there is a big difference between MM and Cutler.

"danmarino wrote:

Res, my man, there is a big difference between MM and Cutler.

Yes, arm strength. I mean, Cutler is a little better, clearly, since he's been a consistent starter in the league, and MM hasn't. However, I don't see a massive huge difference between the two. Like, this isn't Orlovsky and Manning.

"danmarino wrote:

Res, my man, there is a big difference between MM and Cutler.

Yeah, i'm with Res, they both seem to me to be strong armed gunslingers with spurts of questionable decision making. Sure Cutler has a better arm but Moore is a better improviser. I can question both their willingness to lead and play too.

Am I missing something?