340 ponds isn't that big!

 

The bigger question is... why start yet another thread about this?

I'd think any one of the previous dozen or so discussing this matter would suffice.

 

So, let me get this straight, the sons of really smart people that attend Harvard are taught to be victims from birth?

 

With as little respect as I can muster, the bold and underlined is effing stupid.

If the man suffers from depression it is as real as your ignorance of this topic.

 

It's possible that Jonathan Martin suffers from mental illness. In that case he would be no more equipped to handle psychological or even physical intimidation from a supposed "friend" than a child would. That appears to be the leader in the clubhouse as far as what happened here.

If he were a normal adult, fully healthy from a psychological standpoint, a professional football player who is himself paid to be a bully on the football field, to target smaller and weaker players and dominate and bully them around the field...then I would say that this is purely a money grab, Martin and his representation trying to take advantage of a situation to maintain his eligibility to receive salary from the Dolphins and possibly to even receive punitive damages.

However, if he's got a mental illness then it explains the thin skin.

 

Vote this thread worst assumptions made without any reasonably intelligent support for premise, in a long time on this site.

Not one single piece of evidence has been put forth to support the theory set forth herein.

 

Just because you are a football player doesn;t mean that you enjoy getting into fights or other violence off the field. So the notion that Martin should have physically confrotned Incognito is kind of silly. Maybe he's just not that kind of person, which should be applauded actually.

 

1. Who said anything about enjoying getting into fights?
2. There doesn't need to be a physical confrontation at all.
3. Someone who is not "that kind of person" probably does not survive in professional football. Which is OK.

 

With all due respect, you don't know anything about his family other than where they went to school and where they work. We have no idea what kinds of morals, values, mentality, etc. they instilled in him.

You could be right. But you have no way of knowing at this point.

 

That's what many people have been saying, not you specifically.

 

If I suffer from depression and one of my patients yells at me, I can't sue the facility because the patient was super mean to me during therapy.

Also if I slammed my pen/chart and walked off the job without notifying a superior I would be let go.

Lmao!!! They old people bullied me. They called me boy. I quit and the old person is a bigot!!!!

Man now that I think of it I need to get a lawyer. Might have me a case.

 

Though your bedside manner needs work, you bring up an excellent point which is that the job description dictates the level of sensitivity applicable to this kind of thing. A prison guard can't sue because the inmates wouldn't stop insulting him. At some point, thick skin and a certain amount of what we commonly refer to as toughness becomes a job requisite.

 

Very easy, if you are an introvert who just wants to do his job and be left alone and there is an alpha (that is 8 years older than you and is popular among the locker room) likes to use you as a whipping boy.

 

One very obvious outcome of this situation is that a great deal of NFL fans have a very archaic world view reminiscent of more ignorant generations past.

It permeates football like a bad dream.

 

Very true. Although the prison still has to provide a safe environment for its employees. If the warden knows that there have been numerous riots and other threats of violence against staff and does nothing, and somebody gets hurt, the warden has a problem.

 

Sorry I'm not a professional blogger. Can you send me your perez hilton self help movies? ;)

 

Nobody had gotten hurt. If richie had, infact, slapped his real mother then it would be on the warden. If the inmates threaten and nothing happens isn't it a safe enviorment?

 

well thats what your saying for some odd reason.... he was obviously referring to lawyers in general.... i guess your lucky enough to know nothing about them ! Thats a good thing.

 

Agreed. People kept bringing up office examples which I felt were really off the mark. Reality is that the job requires a certain personality. That doesn't mean you can't be an intellectual or an introvert, but it does mean that you have to be able to respond to physical or verbal threats. And that response has to be a a little more direct than running to the coach or your parents.

 

Although it seems light years from happening, and it may never happen, I really would like to hear Jonathan Martin, in his own words, tell his side of the story.

 

Anyone else find it humorous that Martin's weight keeps going up? First it was 310, then 320, and now its 340. The poor guy will over 400 by the end of the week

 

Thankfully Jonathan Martin never suffered from a prison riot under the Dolphins watch.

 

I am one, and proud of it.

Let's hope you never need one. If you do I imagine your tune will change

 

He weighs more than John Jerry, didn't you know lol

 

That will be comfort eating then. Last thing Martin needs is an eating disorder. ;)

 

His tune might change. But that 33 1/3 bull**** won't ever change.

 

Running to his coach would have been a step up from what happened. He didn't even do that. I would accept that, especially in light of Incognito's texts and voicemails which really were inappropriate. He refused to seek aid from the team about it, right to the very end when his representation took control of the situation and presented the evidence and allegations to the Dolphins after a week of Martin talking to the coach and not saying a word, even talking to the players and explicitly telling them he doesn't put any of it on them.

 

I was thinking of when he spoke to Philbin in April, but you're right since he apparently didn't really tell Philbin much. My impression is that the conversation may have been primarily about him thinking about quitting. Even that seems to have been more about his own desires rather than a complaint about being bullied.

 

Someone show me where emotionally abusing someone will make them tougher than I will emphasize with Incognito.

 

What are they victims from birth of though? I must have missed something....

 

Ck...I guess Hyde mentioned something about all this seeming like Kindergarden if all the details become public. This according to a source...any ideas on what hes referring to?

In your opinion...have we seen the tip of the ice berg yet?

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Shot in the dark, maybe he overthought the coaches reactions. Turner or Sherman don't seem the understanding type. Philbin is a little harder to gauge.

 

Philbin flatly denied that Martin came to him in the spring, I believe.

And Adam Schefter is now saying that what happened in the spring was merely that Jonathan Martin was a no-show for two days of one of the OTAs, and that the team understood it was because he was going through something mentally/emotionally, but that they did not know what. This happened right around when Incognito sent that voicemail.

 

I believe it will get uglier, yes. I think the next shoe to drop will be what, if anything, Jim Turner knew about any efforts that Incognito and Pouncey made to specifically try and "toughen up" Martin. I don't have the link anymore but I remember an exact quote from Incognito proudly proclaiming that Pouncey and he made a concerted effort this year to toughen him up. If Jim Turner was complicit in that effort (even if he didn't know how far Richie would take it) then that would set off a pretty big bomb.

Also if it's discovered that Jonathan Martin has a history of mental health issues and that the Dolphins knew about that, another bomb.

And then there are the drug allegations...

 

Hey, you leave FinD's lady out of this!

 

Feasible in a mature, psychologically healthy adult? No. What I find feasible for a mature, psychologically healthy adult would be to:

A) Confront the person who was treating you in a manner you don't want to be treated, in an effort to find an easy solution to the problem,
B) If that fails, seek involvement from other veterans on the roster, the "leadership council" which exists explicitly for this purpose,
C) If that fails, seek intervention from coaches, explaining to them the situation and asking that they be delicate in their handling if possible,
D) If that fails, seek intervention by your players union, who are duty-bound to investigate and do their best to provide a safe work environment,
E) As a final resort, seek the aid of the NFL front office who would almost surely investigate any claims of an unsafe work environment.

As an adult faced with this situation, failing to take these steps is some combination of emotional immaturity, mental illness, and/or laziness. Or perhaps lack of awareness of the tools at your disposal for handling these situations, which is kind of an extension of the laziness angle.

We need to stop treating 24 year old adults as if they are children. It is an insult to the children who face these dilemmas and really ARE ill equipped to handle them.

 

I assume you meant to say empathize.

While I don't condone RI's tactics or even agree that such tactics are effective, I don't think it's necessarily as mean-spirited or ill-intented as is being portrayed. My guess is that at least part of RI's intent was to toughen up Martin. It was probably how his dad or previous team mates tried to toughen him up. I don't think it's an effective method, but there's no doubt that it's the way that many were taught. So while I may don't agree with what he did, I can emphasize with his probable intent.