I just hoping it's not another case of him "not want to put bad tape out".

No harm in having some workouts since we are 1 injury away from starting a waterboy at CB.

 

Well, I'm still not convinced that Carroll is an answer for us. I felt pretty good with Carroll as #3, but he's been exposed this week after a couple of solid games. Taylor is still coming back. Jones isn't quite ready at DB (but good on STs). If they are bringing in guys, then it doesn't look good for those guys to be back... The hope has to be that Wake, Soliai, Patterson, Taylor, etc are all gonna be ready to go after the bye...

EDIT: Ooops, wrong about Bye...was thinking it was after this game....Well, there goes that theory. It has to mean that they don't see those guys back this week at all...

 

It's a shame the Phins couldn't re-sign Sean Smith. He's a part of a great Secondary in KC now. I don't think he's even starting for them.*

 

The point I raised immediately after Week 1 against the Browns is just this:

Last year the guy got here off waivers from the Browns and played one full game for us. Great. The very next week he didn't even make it through a couple dozen plays before he got injured. Fast forward to this season. Heading INTO Week 1, he was battling an ankle injury that made him Questionable (50/50) for the game. He played only about two-thirds of that game, because he took a groin injury. He comes in with an ankle that put his Week 1 availability in question, and he leaves with a groin that puts his Week 2 availability in question.

There's a strong possibility that at 31 years old, this guy is made of glass. That was quite literally one of the reasons the Cleveland Browns ditched him less than one full year into the fresh three-year contract they had given him. He got injured there in Week 5, didn't come back until Week 14 and only then as a part-timer. There were rumors that the Browns thought he'd be available to come back sooner but that he nixed the idea because he didn't want to put out any "bad tape".

 

Yeah wasn't he cut in Cleveland for not wanting to put bad tape out b/c of his ankle?

Maybe Taylor or Davis will be back this week. Can't keep running our 4th and 6th DBs out there as starters.

 

stop this exposed bull****, julio jones is doing it against everybody, the inability to give players from other teams credit is mind boggling...

 

Just about every corner that goes against Jones "gets exposed".

I've actually been impressed with Carroll all things considered. Last year any time the ball was thrown his way I'd shut my eyes as I was expecting him to be badly beaten and a long gain was about to be given up. This year his coverage has been pretty good, I haven't noticed many people running away from him.

 

Never mind that, most of Jones' completions were in breaking routes vs zone coverage where the underneath coverage (LBs like Ellerbe) didn't get enough depth, leaving the over the top coverage (Carroll-Jones) out to dry. There were a couple sideline routes where Carroll was beaten, one on a 1st and long for about 10 yards, a fade route that Jones came over to clean up and the PI call in the end zone IIRC. Other than that Carroll was solid IMO. I especially like how he came up on the toss to his side. If that was Sean Smith the back would still be running.

 

The problem really isn't so much Nolan Carroll. He can hold his own. The issue rears it's ugly head when it comes to depth. Against a team like the Jets, it might not be a big deal. But against a team with a lot of weapons and a good QB, it's an exposure waiting to be taken advantage of.

 

FYI. ALL of Miami's corners have positive grades.

 

I was in favor of keeping Marshall for one more season and cutting Patterson. I looked very wrong in the first half of week one....but if the guy can't make it onto the field on Sunday (or Monday), then another guy who might not make quite as big of an impact can be more valuable. Of course, I know that Marshall missed 75% of last season himself.

In the end, lets hope the rookies get healthy and ready to play ASAP so that we don't have to worry about this as much.

 

Yes he is starting. Played 190 of 211 defensive snaps. So, he hardly ever leaves the field when the defense is out there.

 

Compared to what Julio Jones did against the Saints and Rams, Carroll acquitted himself quite well. The QB rating on passes to Jones in the Miami game was 69.8. In the Saints game, covered by Patrick Robinson, Corey White and Jabari Greer, the QB rating throwing to Jones was 145.8. In the Rams game, covered by Janoris Jenkins, Cortland Finnegan, and Rodney McLeod, it was 144.4
The QB rating on passes into Carroll's coverage last Sunday was 90.6.

 

Few of us kept lobbying for Patterson this preseason off of very limited reps in our unis from last year, we stated the flashes were there, and he's the better player than Marshall, unfortunately maybe we didn't take into account the injury thing.