Huge game this Sunday...Pre game discussion.

"vt_dolfan wrote:

Man Id love to have Luke Joekel on our team. Love watching him play LB.

Best tackle/linebacker combo in the league IMO.

I don't have any idea how we win this game unless the Panthers' coordinators get incredibly stupid and throw the ball 50 times and Cam Newton turns it over 3-4 times. We sure aren't going to score many offensive TDs against them.

Our coaches need to really develop a strong game plan to have any chance vs the Panthers, as you said they are hot at the moment. if we win, its def. a big upset.

I think our passing game can have success, but it all depends on if RT will have any time to throw the ball.

Roll outs / screens/ quick slants/ throw in a few reverses....and Pray.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

I don't have any idea how we win this game unless the Panthers' coordinators get incredibly stupid and throw the ball 50 times and Cam Newton turns it over 3-4 times. We sure aren't going to score many offensive TDs against them.

Come on Rick..dont bring it weak sauce. We can beat them. Remember how everyone cried Cincis defense was gonna kill us?

Id really like to hear your opinions on how we could...

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While it's always good to beat a strong team.......in the scheme of things it's also the least important of the remaining games. After Carolina it's all division games and a conference game which means more in tiebreakers.

"VanDolPhan wrote:

While it's always good to beat a strong team.......in the scheme of things it's also the least important of the remaining games. After Carolina it's all division games and a conference game which means more in tiebreakers.

None of our games are ever a given, so this game is important.

Basically what we have been doing on offense only keep the hat on hat blocking scheme

Our DL has to win the los and ST has to make something happen, they have been quite this year and they have guys who can make plays they just have not been making them for us.

Basically shut down their running game, make Newton beat us throwing the ball

I smell an opportunity for us here.

Carolina is coming off back-to-back wins in SF and last night against the Patriots. There has to be some sort of emotional letdown, I believe, especially also going the road on a short week.

IMO there's a good chance they may come out pretty flat, but we have to be sharp and ready to take advantage.

I think the key is our OL. I just have a feeling that..losing both Incognito and Martin just may have been addition by subtraction.

Heres why. For the line to play as well as they did last week..they had to be able to communicate. Which means they really had to put the time in..and work together as a unit. They did that...new parts and all. I think the gained alot of confidence from that game.

Its not suprising our line played so bad early on...I think more then any other place on the team..the line has to be a cohesive unit.

We are 2-1 since losing both Martin and Cogs. If the line continues to get better as it has...it will be a very interesting final of the season.

If we could manage to sweep the Jets and beat Buffalo..we would need only one win against either Carolina, Pitt, or NE to most likely get a WC.

Which most likely puts us against the Colts or Cinci..both teams we have beaten.

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"vt_dolfan wrote:

I think the key is our OL. I just have a feeling that..losing both Incognito and Martin just may have been addition by subtraction.

Heres why. For the line to play as well as they did last week..they had to be able to communicate. Which means they really had to put the time in..and work together as a unit. They did that...new parts and all. I think the gained alot of confidence from that game.

Its not suprising our line played so bad early on...I think more then any other place on the team..the line has to be a cohesive unit.

We are 2-1 since losing both Martin and Cogs. If the line continues to get better as it has...it will be a very interesting final of the season.

If we could manage to sweep the Jets and beat Buffalo..we would need only one win against either Carolina, Pitt, or NE to most likely get a WC.

Which most likely puts us against the Colts or Cinci..both teams we have beaten.

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With a 9-7 record the best scenario would be winning out our 4 division games as they help the most in tie-breakers. Next best scenario...especially if a certain team keeps winning is to swap Buffalo for Pittsburgh. Carolina would be the least important game to win in a 9-7 scenario.

"VanDolPhan wrote:

While it's always good to beat a strong team.......in the scheme of things it's also the least important of the remaining games. After Carolina it's all division games and a conference game which means more in tiebreakers.

TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM

If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
Two Clubs



Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in common games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss

Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).



Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in common games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss

This game is definitely just as important IMO

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

Omar has a article this week showing how Miami actually sits in a very good spot. If 9-7 gets you in...every team besides Miami and Jets has to win out. Our biggest threat would be Ravens if they did.

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"vt_dolfan wrote:

Come on Rick..dont bring it weak sauce. We can beat them. Remember how everyone cried Cincis defense was gonna kill us?

Id really like to hear your opinions on how we could...

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Well, the only way we can beat them IMHO is to shut down their running game, and that includes Cam running the ball. That's going to require some disciplined play from the LBs (which is why I don't hold out much hope: our LBs suck). IF we can force them to throw the ball, Cam is prone to INTs and that could be our opportunity. On the other side of the ball...well, Tannehill is going to get killed unless they roll him out. I'd let him take off and run it rather than take a sack. If I were the O-coord, I'd say "Count to three and if you haven't thrown the ball already, run."
I'd also have some planned QB runs and some option plays.

Personally, I think we get rolled. This could be New Orleans ugly but at home.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

Well, the only way we can beat them IMHO is to shut down their running game, and that includes Cam running the ball. That's going to require some disciplined play from the LBs (which is why I don't hold out much hope: our LBs suck). IF we can force them to throw the ball, Cam is prone to INTs and that could be our opportunity. On the other side of the ball...well, Tannehill is going to get killed unless they roll him out. I'd let him take off and run it rather than take a sack. If I were the O-coord, I'd say "Count to three and if you haven't thrown the ball already, run."
I'd also have some planned QB runs and some option plays.

Muchos gracias man....liked reading that!

"rdhstlr23 wrote:

Personally, I think we get rolled. This could be New Orleans ugly but at home.

Ok...but why? Im not saying your wrong...but what about this game has you thinking this could be the case?

Our lineplay has improved. I believe our defense CAN stop the run, if they tackle. The key is containing Cam Newton. Now..he has improved, but he is still not a great pocket QB. This is how we beat them...I think, we need to stop the run, and force him into being a pocket QB.

This was earlier in the season granted....but....when you look at how Arizona and Buffalo beat the Panthers, it was to blitz Cam. Both teams got to him 6 times.

"On Sunday, the Panthers fell to 1-3 after a 22-6 loss to the Arizona Cardinals. It was the second time this season that Carolina has allowed 6+ sacks in a game (the other instance being at Buffalo). Additionally, the offensive line allowed 21 pressures on Cam Newton.

Not surprisingly, Cam had his worst game this season and one of his worst ever, throwing three interceptions and losing a fumble. The biggest issues arose when Arizona blitzed. All three interceptions and all seven sacks came on blitzes. When the Cardinals didn’t blitz, Newton had a passer rating of 79.9, which is relatively average. Conversely, when they did bring extra rushers, his passer rating was cut nearly in half to 40.3."

http://cover32.com/panthers/2013/10/13/cam-and-panthers-struggle-agains-the-blitz/

The Niners sacked him three times....and held him to 169 yards passing, and one Int.

I dont think you can just rush four and hope that takes care of things. I think Miami has to blitz..and has to be creative with it.

Carolina's defense really underwhelmed me last night. They're good, but not that good. Pats moved the ball at will and would've put up almost 30 if not for Ridley dropping the ball at the 10 and some dumba$$ penalties in scoring range on other drives. They also benefit from a rushing offense that dominates possession.

I know Carolina is statistically a good D, but look at their opponents: SEA, BUF, NYG, ARZ, MIN, STL, TB, ATL, SF. Going against these weak offenses padded their stats, imo. They can be had.

I do think our offense has the potential to be difficult to defend....IF the line play improves.

If our line can play the way they have the last three games...and Sherman mixes things up, I really think we can put some points on the board.

If Wallace could manage to catch the ball more than he drops it and the D contains the run game we could have a good game against them. Panthers Defensive ends and D-line will be after Tannehill so he must move and get rid of the ball when under pressure.

I don't think we have a chance and it's going to come back to the OL.

The San Diego Chargers did not have the horses to challenge our expansion level line. As bad as our line is, all they had to throw at us was Corey Liuget, Kendall Reyes, Cam Thomas, Lawrence Guy, Sean Lissemore, Tourek Williams, Jarret Johnson and Thomas Keiser. That's awful. Corey Liuget was good in 2012 but he's been struggling all year and Cam Thomas is probably their best DL. He only played 22 snaps. Jarret Johnson is not a pass rusher, never really has been. He's a stout run defender that has a talent for erasing tight ends at the line of scrimmage. But he only played 16 snaps.

The Panthers are going to throw Greg Hardy, Star Lotulelei, Kawann Short and Charles Johnson (pending injury) at our offensive line. That is so much ridiculously better than the San Diego defensive front, that the Dolphins aren't going to know what hit them. I know it seems counter-intuitive that Pouncey coming back could actually hurt us, but it's well to remember that the last time our line took the field in THIS form with Garner at LG, they were embarrassed by the Tampa front...especially Gerald McCoy. Now they're going to face Gerald McCoy caliber front line players in Lotulelei and Short.

I understand people thinking that the Dolphins counter-intuitively seem to do well against good opponents this year, but when a defensive front should have the ability to manhandle your offensive front, that anchors the result back to reality. The better team is very likely to win this game, IMO.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I understand people thinking that the Dolphins counter-intuitively seem to do well against good opponents this year, but when a defensive front should have the ability to manhandle your offensive front, that anchors the result back to reality. The better team is very likely to win this game, IMO.

Quit ruining my Tuesday :cry:

I'm more concerned about our defensive front v the Panthers running game

Though, per PFF, Soliai has come back to life in run defense.

Way I see it, we throw short passes, it's our offense, THill has been pressured all yr so it is nothing new, the real question then becomes can our receivers make things happen in the RAC and YAC area b/c the Panthers are an excellent tackling team.

There is not likely to be a Clay 3 broken tackle 50 yd td catch and run v Carolina

Curious to see if Pouncey plays in this one, to me Garner is doing fine at Center so no need to rush him back

"ckparrothead wrote:

I don't think we have a chance and it's going to come back to the OL.

The San Diego Chargers did not have the horses to challenge our expansion level line. As bad as our line is, all they had to throw at us was Corey Liuget, Kendall Reyes, Cam Thomas, Lawrence Guy, Sean Lissemore, Tourek Williams, Jarret Johnson and Thomas Keiser. That's awful. Corey Liuget was good in 2012 but he's been struggling all year and Cam Thomas is probably their best DL. He only played 22 snaps. Jarret Johnson is not a pass rusher, never really has been. He's a stout run defender that has a talent for erasing tight ends at the line of scrimmage. But he only played 16 snaps.

The Panthers are going to throw Greg Hardy, Star Lotulelei, Kawann Short and Charles Johnson (pending injury) at our offensive line. That is so much ridiculously better than the San Diego defensive front, that the Dolphins aren't going to know what hit them. I know it seems counter-intuitive that Pouncey coming back could actually hurt us, but it's well to remember that the last time our line took the field in THIS form with Garner at LG, they were embarrassed by the Tampa front...especially Gerald McCoy. Now they're going to face Gerald McCoy caliber front line players in Lotulelei and Short.

I understand people thinking that the Dolphins counter-intuitively seem to do well against good opponents this year, but when a defensive front should have the ability to manhandle your offensive front, that anchors the result back to reality. The better team is very likely to win this game, IMO.

I dont think anyone is under the impression that Carolina odds wont will win. But...to say we dont have a chance isnt realistic either.

If we do win...Ill be ready to hear how we were either lucky....Carolina beat themselves...or some reason as to why the win isnt indicative of our team.

How much better is Carolina's front seven vs. Cincinati's