Hyde article..Miami's' an underdog at home, expects 20,000 empties.
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djphinfansubscriberOP" But there's no questioning Philbin for having the right to assemble his own team in his first months on the job. And yet he's being judged before he can put together the team he wants.
It's worse for quarterback Ryan Tannehill. When you start a rookie quarterback, you have to accept a learning curve. Few rookies come out of the tunnel as heroes like Robert Griffin III. No. 1 pick Andrew Luck threw three interceptions last Sunday, just like Tannehill.
Patience is a hard thing for a Dolphins fan anymore. It's harder still when the very people who should be preaching it are talking about making the playoffs.
Fans aren't dumb. They can see the obvious. And the obvious two truths of this season need to be said to give the new coach and the new quarterback some time to get their feet under them."
Does Hyde know Philbin probably initiated the trades for Davis, Johnson, and Marshall??
CrunchTimeretired_adminI disagree with the article.Very few are judging Philbin or Tanny.The only one who is being judged is Jeff Ireland....a leftover from the previous losing regime.
If you want to blame someone for the empty seats its the previous regimes .
Alex44New Member"CrunchTime wrote:
I disagree with the article.Very few are judging Philbin or Tanny.The only one who is being judged is Jeff Ireland....a leftover from the previous losing regime.
If you want to blame someone for the empty seats its the previous regimes .
To be fair the fans that are die hard enough to join a message board and post their opinions aren't the same type of fans to do what the article states. So just because we don't see it much on here doesn't mean there isnt a big faction of the fan base doing it.
On the draft Quentin Rollins bandwagon.
djphinfansubscriber"CrunchTime wrote:
I disagree with the article.Very few are judging Philbin or Tanny.The only one who is being judged is Jeff Ireland....a leftover from the previous losing regime.
If you want to blame someone for the empty seats its the previous regimes .
the point IMO is that the coach and qb are not getting a fair deal in terms of expectations, and are getting too much pressure, an uneven platform to start your careers lets say??
Owner finds himself in a sticky situation, we can only speculate how much power Philbin will have in the Ireland decision, I would say pretty high no?
smahtazforum_veteran"Alex44 wrote:
To be fair the fans that are die hard enough to join a message board and post their opinions aren't the same type of fans to do what the article states. So just because we don't see it much on here doesn't mean there isnt a big faction of the fan base doing it.
Stephen Ross' 1st football hire was a very well respected coach and a winner at all levels during his career. We're being led to believe Philbin just happened to select Sherman as his OC and Ireland just happened to love Tannehill. Connect your own dots.
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OnehondosubscriberI don't know, I keep having questions about Miami's loss and gains. They drafted Vontae Davis for a 1st round pick and trade him for a second round draft pick and a conditional pick. they trade for Brandon Marshall for two second round draft picks and get two third round picks in return. I know both of these players have or had question marks concerning their abilities or character but a team can never rise out of the 2nd tier with that kind of logic or reasoning. I am not going to prejudge Philbin or Tannehill or question their future value to the Dolphins but I have to question if this team is really headed in the right direction under the current front office. If you weigh the net gains with the net losses the numbers just don't add up. Its not fair to Philbin or Tannehill to not be more optimistic or supportive but the hopelessness and frustration in Miami has been building for a long. long time.
Fin Dforum_veteran"smahtaz wrote:
Stephen Ross' 1st football hire was a very well respected coach and a winner at all levels during his career. We're being led to believe Philbin just happened to select Sherman as his OC and Ireland just happened to love Tannehill. Connect your own dots.
Maybe because its late, but I don't understand what you're trying to get at.
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PSGforum_veteran"smahtaz wrote:
Stephen Ross' 1st football hire was a very well respected coach and a winner at all levels during his career. We're being led to believe Philbin just happened to select Sherman as his OC and Ireland just happened to love Tannehill. Connect your own dots.
"Finascious D wrote:
Maybe because its late, but I don't understand what you're trying to get at.
Maybe I'm wrong.
But I read it to mean the decision to draft Tannehill was made more by Philbin and not Ireland.
Alex44New Member"PSG wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong.
But I read it to mean the decision to draft Tannehill was made more by Philbin and not Ireland.
I won't lie I didn't really understand what was meant so I didn't reply. If what you say is what he meant I'm still unsure what it had to do with I said....which is weird because I usually understand what he's saying.
Your interpretation of what he seems logical though. If Tannehill ends up being a bust I'd like to see how many would stick by that logic though....we know 100% of the blame would go to Ireland.
On the draft Quentin Rollins bandwagon.
djphinfansubscriber"PSG wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong.
But I read it to mean the decision to draft Tannehill was made more by Philbin and not Ireland.
With the combination of Philbin/Sherman/Tannehill I'm sure it was talked about early in the process, maybe really early as in when Philbin knew he wanted Sherman..I'm sure the qb was talked about, and agreed upon.?.pretty cool if they pulled something like that off.
ToddPhinluxury_box"Onehondo wrote:
I don't know, I keep having questions about Miami's loss and gains. They drafted Vontae Davis for a 1st round pick and trade him for a second round draft pick and a conditional pick. they trade for Brandon Marshall for two second round draft picks and get two third round picks in return. I know both of these players have or had question marks concerning their abilities or character but a team can never rise out of the 2nd tier with that kind of logic or reasoning. I am not going to prejudge Philbin or Tannehill or question their future value to the Dolphins but I have to question if this team is really headed in the right direction under the current front office. If you weigh the net gains with the net losses the numbers just don't add up. Its not fair to Philbin or Tannehill to not be more optimistic or supportive but the hopelessness and frustration in Miami has been building for a long. long time.
Sure they do add up IMO. Do you not factor in the player's use?
We gave up 2 2nds to have Marshall for 5 years. Chicago now gets him for only 3 years, hence it's only fair for the 2 2nds we paid for him to depreciate in value, especially at his high cost. Same goes for Vontae whom the Colts get the services of for only 2 of his original 5 years.
Side note for comparison: It should say something when no one forked up a 1st for Mike Wallace.
Alex44New Member"phinsational wrote:
Sure they do add up IMO. Do you not factor in the player's use?
We gave up 2 2nds to have Marshall for 5 years. Chicago now gets him for only 3 years, hence it's only fair for the 2 2nds we paid for him to depreciate in value, especially at his high cost. Same goes for Vontae whom the Colts get the services of for only 2 of his original 5 years.Side note for comparison: It should say something when no one forked up a 1st for Mike Wallace.
Not to mention we were done with BM regardless. Ireland has said the organization was actually going to CUT BM even if a trade wasn't worked out. Now people here may not agree with that decision but it's a fact. We got two thirds for a player we were going to CUT.
On the draft Quentin Rollins bandwagon.
jinxforum_veteran"Alex44 wrote:
Not to mention we were done with BM regardless. Ireland has said the organization was actually going to CUT BM even if a trade wasn't worked out. Now people here may not agree with that decision but it's a fact. We got two thirds for a player we were going to CUT.
It was Ross that said Marshall was going to be cut not Ireland.
Bpkluxury_box"djphinfan wrote:
the point IMO is that the coach and qb are not getting a fair deal in terms of expectations, and are getting too much pressure, an uneven platform to start your careers lets say??
Owner finds himself in a sticky situation, we can only speculate how much power Philbin will have in the Ireland decision, I would say pretty high no?
Which is why it's a crappy owner who says this team is a Super Bowl team, or playoff or whatever.
Alex44New Member"jinx wrote:
It was Ross that said Marshall was going to be cut not Ireland.
Regardless of who said it the point stays the same. In fact it's even more powerful coming from higher up than the GM. Thanks for the slight correction though, I'm all about accuracy.
On the draft Quentin Rollins bandwagon.
Alex13subscriberdave hyde is a tool, he was so often wrong about this team...i didnt even finished this article
Pandarillaforum_veteranHouse of lies(pffft!)...2 and a half point dogs at home, 1 PM start time against the Ray-duz (double pffft!)
I must be delusional to think that we should win this game. That line has to move by Sunday...
gafinfansubscriber"Al13 wrote:
dave hyde is a tool, he was so often wrong about this team...i didnt even finished this article
I second that ... House of lies .... Please!
Another pity party article giving those few fair weather fans more ammo to complain. If RT throws 3 TD's this game will he then be given sainthood by the same press who now call for blood in the streets?
Lets just enjoy the games ... shall we.?
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MrCleansubscriber"phinsational wrote:
Sure they do add up IMO. Do you not factor in the player's use?
We gave up 2 2nds to have Marshall for 5 years. Chicago now gets him for only 3 years, hence it's only fair for the 2 2nds we paid for him to depreciate in value, especially at his high cost. Same goes for Vontae whom the Colts get the services of for only 2 of his original 5 years.Side note for comparison: It should say something when no one forked up a 1st for Mike Wallace.
We gave up two 2s to have Marshall for only 2 seasons. As for Davis, to draft a guy in the 1st and after 3 seasons under his belt, trade him for a 2nd and a 6 is not the way to build a strong nucleus. Sure one can say, we used a low 1st, and will probably get a high 2nd, but still it brings into question the evaluation capabilities of the person who felt he was the BPA at #25 in the first place. Ideally, one would like their 1st rounders to at the very least remain on the team for the length of their initial contract. At the very least. Sure we can say, that pick came on Parcells' watch, but they admit they agreed on all personnel moves during their 3 years working together in Miami, except 1 or 2. An Ireland apologist, whomever they are, may say Davis was Bill's choice and not Ireland's. For myself, that's a tough nut to swallow, considering Clay Matthews was available and he would appear to be the consummate Parcells type of pick.
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Pandarillaforum_veteran"MrClean wrote:
We gave up two 2s to have Marshall for only 2 seasons. As for Davis, to draft a guy in the 1st and after 3 seasons under his belt, trade him for a 2nd and a 6 is not the way to build a strong nucleus. Sure one can say, we used a low 1st, and will probably get a high 2nd, but still it brings into question the evaluation capabilities of the person who felt he was the BPA at #25 in the first place. Ideally, one would like their 1st rounders to at the very least remain on the team for the length of their initial contract. At the very least. Sure we can say, that pick came on Parcells' watch, but they admit they agreed on all personnel moves during their 3 years working together in Miami, except 1 or 2. An Ireland apologist, whomever they are, may say Davis was Bill's choice and not Ireland's. For myself, that's a tough nut to swallow, considering Clay Matthews was available and he would appear to be the consummate Parcells type of pick.
Well, it looks to be all pass rushers and playmakers in future drafts. I wouldn't care if they only drafted pass rushers and WR's...What the hell is John Nalbone doing right now!?!
I think both Philbin and Tannehill both need time to show if they have what it takes to effective in their present jobs in the NFL. Philbin, unfortunately inherited one of the least talented rosters in the NFL. Tannehill is surrounded by offensive personnel which certainly rate near the bottom in the NFL.
I think most Dolphin fans understand that Philbin and Tannehill aren't responsible for the dearth of talent on the roster and these fans will certainly give Philbin and Tannehill the benefit of the doubt for the time being. Most fans see this lack of talent on the team as being the fault of the GM and, that is the person being held responsible for the negative attitude toward the Dolphins at this time.
shourightNew Member"jw3102 wrote:
Philbin, unfortunately inherited one of the least talented rosters in the NFL. Tannehill is surrounded by offensive personnel which certainly rate near the bottom in the NFL.
Just to interfere with your "religion" on that for a second, I encourage you to remember that this roster went 6-3 last year when it had good quarterback play.
Now, of course you're going to say that we beat no good teams, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, but remember that six teams LOST to us during that time, which suggests that there were at least six teams with POORER talent.
"shouright wrote:
Just to interfere with your "religion" on that for a second, I encourage you to remember that this roster went 6-3 last year when it had good quarterback play.
Now, of course you're going to say that we beat no good teams, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, but remember that six teams LOST to us during that time, which suggests that there were at least six teams with POORER talent.
The Dolphins had the eight pick in the draft this year, therefore there were obviously seven teams which played worse than the Dolphins last season. Whether you like it or not, the fact is that the Dolphins did NOT beat a team last year which ended the season with a winning record. You can ignore this if you want, but the reality is that this is a FACT.
The next two weeks will show the direction this team is headed. The Dolphins easily defeated the Raiders last year and they beat the Jets in the last game they played against them. If the Dolphins win these next two games, I will certainly be willing to admit that they have more talent on the roster than I give them credit for at this time. If they should lose either of these games, it would certainly show that they are headed in the wrong direction.
You can believe the Dolphins have a talented roster all you want. The fact that they have been 20-29 records over the past three seasons plus one game this season, does not back you up. Of course your, "religion", is to put all the blame on Sparano and continue to praise Ireland. We shall see over the next few weeks if you are right or not.
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