Your key phrase is "vision". I am not sure if Hickey and Philbin are on the same vision. Hickey states he wants physical and tough players. Philbin seems to want more finesse players who can play multiple positions. We shall see.

 

I think the entire playoffs showed us that we're pretty far off from the level it would take to get there and go far. We are FAR off from the Seahawks, IMO.

 

They're not mutually exclusive. Versatile players with finesse should be in the NFL in the first place because they are physical and tough also. Like when Jerry Rice threw a block to spring Roger Craig in a SB.

 

I agree but Seattle is a very, very bad example. If the playoffs and Superbowl are any indication, only the 49ners are close, everyone else in the league is far, far off from the Seahawks. They just took a Broncos team who was rapping everyone on offense and made them look incompetent.

 

Why would the Seahawks be a bad example? They just won the Super Bowl. That's the goal, to win the Super Bowl.

It's not like the Seahawks were undefeated. They lost to the Colts. They lost to the Cardinals. They lost to the 49ers and barely staved off a comeback win from them in the playoffs. The 49ers also lost to the Colts this year, plus the Panthers and Saints. Let's not pretend they were infallible.

Yeah we're pretty far away from championship contention.

 

my vision for this team is to see Miami stop making dumb personel Moves .

#2 is to stop having crappy draft picks .

#3 stop addressing the oline year after year.

#4 stop trading away our best players and replacing them with Devon Bess and Derick Hagen type players.

#5 stop having embarrassing scandals .

I want to see us focus on getting one side of the ball to be a dominate force regardless if t offense or defense.

 

I don't think it is realistic to set this Seattle defense as the goal to achieve in order to win a Superbowl. They are too good. I think it'll even be difficult for the Seahawks themselves to replicate this type of defensive play next season.

The goal of the Dolphins should be to get better, no doubt, but not necessarily comparatively as good as Seattle. Baltimore won the year before, New York the year prior, those teams would be easier to emulate than this Seattle defense, and that would present just as good a shot at winning. IMHO.

 

I think the biggest problem with this team is Ross did not fully comprehend all the duties that come along with being an NFL owner and the amount of work required to put the right people in place. I'm not sure if he ever even thought past Parcells/Ireland/Sparano. I'd like to think as a billionaire he would have thought about the work it would require to replace them, but given his track record and the fact that he had no plan whatsoever in place for Jeff Ireland at season's end speaks volumes about his level of preparation. Ross is lazy as an owner. He prefers continuity because it requires so much less effort on his part. And he has zero credibility right now because of the way he has handled his coaching and now GM hires. We better hope Philbin can coach. And that Tannehill progresses enough to allow for mediocre GMing because I have a hard time believing Dennis Hickey is going to set the world on fire based on what we know from his time with the Bucs.

 

Tannehill would have been carted off in a body bag if Miami had been in that game, after we allowed 35 sacks in the first half

 

One step at a time. First we need an off season to build a capable playoff team. Not one that sneaks in but one that enters convincingly. It starts with Tannehill taking the next step. After that happens, than I'll feel comfortable talking Super Bowl.

That could be two years from now, but that's as early as it will be, IMO.

 

The problem from our end we have no idea if this coach/GM has an actual vision for a team, do we want what Ross wants, fast pace, uptempo, offensive identity, or are we into just good football players and everything else will fall into place..

 

I don't see how we're THAT far off considering we beat every AFC team we faced that made into the playoffs (4 of the 6 teams, Colts, Pats, Bengals, Chargers)

I would have thought the hyperbole would have died down a bit once Ireland was fired. In fact, I kind of feel like a promise was broken.

 

We may be inconsistent but we beat some pretty good teams like the Colts who beat Seattle this year & we beat Seattle last year. Not saying we're in the consistently good ballpark as Seattle but we're not devoid of talent either. That's why it's frustarting being a fins fan imo.

 

I am encouraged that a shaty offense like Seattle can win the SB in a dominant fashion. Our offense can win the SB as it is, with the same offensive line. We are not in the ballpark as far as coaches, front office, or special teams. We are close as far as defense.

 

I like the word you used "convincingly". I hope we get to the point we look like we are a threat to win it all and not just back in to the playoffs. CK as usual you are dead on. Seattle convincingly won the whole shabang and they should be our example of how to win.

 

Four years in place.

Seahawks did show me what happens when you have good coaching who actually utilizes talent rather than trying to force it down the hole they desire.

 

Also don't see how we can be that far off from a team we beat last year and didn't add all that much since then.

 

we beat them in Miami. Seattle was night and day on the road last season.

 

lol please...2012 is irrelevant

 

I have so many tell me that I am not a real fan and other hurtful and abusive things.

All because I just want my team to win and don't call for firings every 15 seconds after a Dolphin loss.

 

Cut the crap and stay on topic.

 

Aww, it was starting to get interesting.......

 

Yes we beat Seattle so the other 99 times that we might have lost to them dont matter.
No that does not mean everyone has to be satisfied with that or simply firing Ireland.

You both express your love of the team differently. Fin, you choose to be optimistic and thats your right. Nabo chooses to be critical of the team and thats his right. Get past it, use the ignore feature, I dont care what you guys do but the passive aggressive garbage doesnt work.

 

Yes or no, is Philbin's system the same as Parcells system, and if yes or no, do they require different kind of players?

 

Shut up, you ignorant native in loincloths!

 

The fact people can watch yesterdays Super Bowl and think the Dolphins are close is laughable, at BEST.

The Seahawks are better at every single position, with the exception of defensive line and receiver. We are not close to competing at that level.

I did see "we are only two years into a complete system overhaul". So we have started a rebuild after a rebuild that started with a rebuild? System overhaul does not take into account the fact we've been rebuilding for 6 years.

The Seahawks are in year four of their "system overhaul". In that time, they won a playoff game in year one, got better in year two (finished with the same record), won a playoff game in year three (lost in Atalanta by 2 in the divisional round) and in year four finished with the best record in the NFC and won the Super Bowl.

Oh, they will return essentially the same team next year. The cap won't bite them for another year.

They achieved in year one of their "system overhaul/rebuild" what this franchise has not done in 13 seasons, won a playoff game.

They achieved in year four of their "system overhaul/rebuild" what this franchise has not done in 28 seasons, had home field throughout the playoffs.

They achieved in year four of their "system overhaul/rebuild" what this franchise has not done in 44 seasons, won a World championship.

We are close? They are in another league.

 

I'm not being optimistic. We beat the teams we beat. We've only had two years under a new system and we recently found out that for the last year of those 2 years the GM wasn't on the same page as the coach. It is flat out absurd to be complaining about depth under those circumstances.

 

Uh, they sucked *** their first two seasons under Carrol. They were worse than we are. This is a case of a fan over exaggerating his teams issues while overrating another team.

 

Whats absurd is to defend a GM who left an offense completely devoid of playmakers for a new coach to inherit after 4 years of being GM. The only playmaker we had, Marshall, was such a headcase the new coach felt it necessary to ask that he be moved with a few other headcases.

I agree we beat the teams we beat. Doesnt matter of Seattle would have won the other 999 times out of a 1000 the only thing that matters is the game that was played. But i also think this team does lack talent in plenty of areas and that we aren't on that level yet. We're closer then he says imo bt further then what youre saying. We're probably 5-6 players away but theyd have to be excellent players. We have depth but we aren't high on top shelf quality past the DL

Also to be fair Philbin made the reconstruction of the defense necessary by not hiring a 3-4 DC and hiring a DC who instead runs a base 4-3 with a double a gap blitz scheme. He brought that on himself as far as Im concerned. We had a 3-4 in place and it was pretty good, albeit not elite. You could have built on it though and added more pieces. Instead he chose to go a completely different direction.

 

AKA making the typical post on this forum...

 

If you feel thats the typical post than add something more to elevate the conversation instead of continuing that trend....

 

Problem, the way I see it, is talent just develops to slowly in Miami, right when the reach competence, they are either FA or have 1 yr left so the team paid for their prior crappy or inconsistent prior seasons.

Like Sean Smith, or heck, Nolan Carrol, for all of the hand wringing over Dio Jordan, he is more what usually happens in Miami, from that pov Olivier Vernon is a deviation from the norm for us

Lamar Miller, good example, ditto Daniel Thomas, until young players contribute quickly and at a high level this is our norm, maybe a playoff game, maybe a short run.

 

Which would indicate a problem with the evaluation process.

 

Where did I defend Ireland in any of those posts?

All I'm saying is that 2years under a new scheme and 1 of those years the GM wasn't even trying to get the coach the players for his scheme. Anyone really think if Ireland had brought in Albert instead of Martin we'd have made the playoffs?

 

You didnt mention Ireland in those posts but you did defend him for a very long time.

As for Albert...Yes. Buffalo game 1 was on the OL, Tampa game was largely on the OL, and Carolina game. Win 1 of those 3. You mean Albert couldnt have made a substantial difference?

Plus Martin might not have been starting which could have avoided his crap play and maybe a huge distraction