I feel excited about a change..upgrades needed..

Agreed. Time for some new blood all around.

"djphinfan wrote:

I always get like this when its a given that the teams front office and coach will be new going into the offseason, Cameron sucked, Parcells, was a quitter, so was Saban, so we need to get this one right, one that wants to be here, I think you have to start at the top with Cowher, Grudes and Fisher..Any of the three I would be happy with because I know we would be good from a coaching perspective, putting all the pressure on the next evaluator of talent for our team, which is right where its supposed to be in this league..

Upgrades on the team are bountiful, Lets try to figure out which 4 positions are the most important on the team to upgrade..

I always go into the offseason with a 2 and 2 approach, I need to upgrade two positions with 2 rookies from the first and 2nd round, and then upgrade another two positions with free agents..

1}..QB...PERIOD...We should be in the top 10 with our loss today, which sucks because we lost, but its time for our future, and picking higher reflects how that future becomes successful..With that top 10 pick or higher, it looks like we will have 3 legit QB's to choose from, Luck {still should try}, RG3 and Barkley, we must at all costs, aquire 1 of these young men..Thats exciting because the odds are in our favor because of the other teams that will be in the top 10 that don't need to address the position.

2} Dynamic 2nd receiver..He must be explosive, he must be fast..could be a free agent aquisition or could be a receiver in the draft..If we can land our QB without moving up, I would be willing to trade back up into the first round to aquire a player like Kendall wright, I don't think you can wait til the 2nd to aquire such a player..be aggressive if you have to, come away from this draft with your new QB and his new weapon, that will get the fanbase excited..

3} Right tackle..I think you have to go Vet here, making sure there is an upgrade..

4} This is tough.... You could go linebacker with speed, or saftey with range and speed..

we obviously have other holes as well, but that's a start..Where would your 4 upgrades come from.?, and who do you want to target as our next coach..??

Oh, and PS..can we all do a group hug together for making it thru another regime..awwww, isn't that special...lol..this will be a fun offseason..

Dj just the other day you wanted Tony to stay...

what changed your mind...

NO... really curious, what bout todays game changed your mind???

"djphinfan wrote:

1}..QB...PERIOD...We should be in the top 10 with our loss today, which sucks because we lost, but its time for our future, and picking higher reflects how that future becomes successful..With that top 10 pick or higher, it looks like we will have 3 legit QB's to choose from, Luck {still should try}, RG3 and Barkley, we must at all costs, aquire 1 of these young men..Thats exciting because the odds are in our favor because of the other teams that will be in the top 10 that don't need to address the position.
2} Dynamic 2nd receiver..He must be explosive, he must be fast..could be a free agent aquisition or could be a receiver in the draft..If we can land our QB without moving up, I would be willing to trade back up into the first round to aquire a player like Kendall wright, I don't think you can wait til the 2nd to aquire such a player..be aggressive if you have to, come away from this draft with your new QB and his new weapon, that will get the fanbase excited..

Wow, imagine what it would be like to have RG3 AND Kendall Wright!
Together with Bush, Marshall, Bess and a new TE, we'd have a very explosive offense. Would be awesome!

Does Sparano get fired this week? Or do we need to lose up in Buffalo to see that happen?

I said before that if we lost to Oakland then Sparano should get fired immediately after. So I'm saying it again, a second loss in a row to go 4-10 should see Tony fired before the season ends so that the team is in no way handcuffed in its search for a new Head Coach.

Cris I wanted Tony gone after the loss to Denver...

and the agony goes on....

the funny thing is the team would have probably had the same 4 wins even if Tony was let go earlier...

"ckparrothead wrote:

Does Sparano get fired this week? Or do we need to lose up in Buffalo to see that happen?

I said before that if we lost to Oakland then Sparano should get fired immediately after. So I'm saying it again, a second loss in a row to go 4-10 should see Tony fired before the season ends so that the team is in no way handcuffed in its search for a new Head Coach.

The end is at the end of the season imo.

"Disnardo wrote:

Dj just the other day you wanted Tony to stay...

what changed your mind...

NO... really curious, what bout todays game changed your mind???

all week D, Ive been prefacing every damn post that I make about the Sparano situation, was under the caveat that the team would win out..Thats why I started the thread..''must win''...It was just a fun debate to talk about what if, but by no means was I lobbying for him to stay UNLESS they won out....Plain and simple...

One thing that gets me excited D, and that is, because we are finally in a position to select a QB high when there are prospects to be excited about..

I think you have to have the combination of former good head coach with a track record and a franchise QB...Imagine Gruden and RG3 together..hehheheheehe..

"ckparrothead wrote:

Does Sparano get fired this week? Or do we need to lose up in Buffalo to see that happen?

I said before that if we lost to Oakland then Sparano should get fired immediately after. So I'm saying it again, a second loss in a row to go 4-10 should see Tony fired before the season ends so that the team is in no way handcuffed in its search for a new Head Coach.

do you think, if Ross was to fire now, that it would make the big three {Cowher, Gruden, Fisher} view that as not fair?...cause if there is that chance, then just wait it out.

We already know the stories from last year, and the comments about those transpirings from Cowher..Has Ross repaired his image enough, to do this where it is view'd in a respectful way?

I believe our needs from a needs standpoint are:

Quarterback - if we don't take a quarterback with our first round pick, the fanbase WILL be in panic mode. Pretty sure fans will riot and things will not look good here. There should be plenty of options for us to take a quarterback in the first round from Matt Barkley, Robert Griffin III, Landry Jones, Brandon Weeden, etc. (Assuming that these guys declare at least). We should be able to land one of them; I'd love either Barkley or RG3 personally.

Right tackle - Marc Colombo is awful. We could use an upgrade over Vernon Carey too but I think we can fill that need via free agency. We seen what this line looks like without Jake Long and it's not pretty.

Free safety - I don't believe Reshad Jones is the man for the job and I don't know if Chris Clemons will get another chance (I thought he played well in 2010). I think we need to take a free safety in the 2nd/3rd round or spend some money in free agency for one. Michael Griffin perhaps?

Pass Rusher - We need a pass rusher opposite of Wake. I don't know if Misi is that guy, but that doesn't mean we should get rid of him.

Wide receiver - We could use a more dynamic #2 receiver. I would like to see us make a run at DeSean Jackson, I don't think he'll come cheap but with his attitude he will surely be a discount. A guy I like in the draft that will probably be a 2nd-3rd round pick would be Marvin McNutt out of Iowa.

"djphinfan wrote:

I always get like this when its a given that the teams front office and coach will be new going into the offseason, Cameron sucked, Parcells, was a quitter, so was Saban, so we need to get this one right, one that wants to be here, I think you have to start at the top with Cowher, Grudes and Fisher..Any of the three I would be happy with because I know we would be good from a coaching perspective, putting all the pressure on the next evaluator of talent for our team, which is right where its supposed to be in this league..

Upgrades on the team are bountiful, Lets try to figure out which 4 positions are the most important on the team to upgrade..

I always go into the offseason with a 2 and 2 approach, I need to upgrade two positions with 2 rookies from the first and 2nd round, and then upgrade another two positions with free agents..

1}..QB...PERIOD...We should be in the top 10 with our loss today, which sucks because we lost, but its time for our future, and picking higher reflects how that future becomes successful..With that top 10 pick or higher, it looks like we will have 3 legit QB's to choose from, Luck {still should try}, RG3 and Barkley, we must at all costs, aquire 1 of these young men..Thats exciting because the odds are in our favor because of the other teams that will be in the top 10 that don't need to address the position.

2} Dynamic 2nd receiver..He must be explosive, he must be fast..could be a free agent aquisition or could be a receiver in the draft..If we can land our QB without moving up, I would be willing to trade back up into the first round to aquire a player like Kendall wright, I don't think you can wait til the 2nd to aquire such a player..be aggressive if you have to, come away from this draft with your new QB and his new weapon, that will get the fanbase excited..

3} Right tackle..I think you have to go Vet here, making sure there is an upgrade..

4} This is tough.... You could go linebacker with speed, or saftey with range and speed..

we obviously have other holes as well, but that's a start..Where would your 4 upgrades come from.?, and who do you want to target as our next coach..??

Oh, and PS..can we all do a group hug together for making it thru another regime..awwww, isn't that special...lol..this will be a fun offseason..

I agree with your comments but I am not so sure about the Dolphins getting one of the top three QB's. If the Dolphins end up picking sixth, it is likely they will be drafting behind the Colts, Vikings, and the Redskins.
The Colts have already made it known that they will take Luck with the first pick. Even if they don't and decide to trade the pick, the team they trade with will be trading up for Luck. The Redskins will also be using their pick to take either Barkley or Griffin.

Until today I figured that we didn't have to worry about the Vikings selecting a QB with their first round selection because they took Christian Ponder in the first round last year. Today though, the HC of the Vikings pulled Ponder from the game because of his poor play. If Ponder continues to perform poorly over the next three games, it would not surprise me in the least if the Vikings decide to take Griffin or Barkley with their pick, depending on which of these QB's are still on the board.

I don't think Ponder has the tools to be a franchise QB and I think the Vikings may be coming to that same conclusion. I know I would much rather see Barkley or Griffin as the QB of the Dolphins, rather than Ponder. There is also a strong possibility that the Vikings may fire their head coach when the season is over. If this happens, a new regime in Minnesota may not feel obligated to stick with Ponder either. Right now I think there is a very good chance the Vikings would attempt to trade Ponder for a second or third round pick and they will go after one of the top three QB's in next years draft. I hope I am wrong, but the benching of Ponder today was not a good omen for the Dolphins, in regards to getting Barkley or Griffin.

We're getting a new front office? Would be a shock to me.

"djphinfan wrote:

do you think, if Ross was to fire now, that it would make the big three {Cowher, Gruden, Fisher} view that as not fair?...cause if there is that chance, then just wait it out.

We already know the stories from last year, and the comments about those transpirings from Cowher..Has Ross repaired his image enough, to do this where it is view'd in a respectful way?

If Ross didn't fire Sparano after the team started out 0-7, I don't see him firing Sparano with just three games left this season. Ross will just stick with the status quo for the remainder of the season and hopefully he is spending his time right now trying to determine the right people to turn this franchise around.

"jw3102 wrote:

I agree with your comments but I am not so sure about the Dolphins getting one of the top three QB's. If the Dolphins end up picking sixth, it is likely they will be drafting behind the Colts, Vikings, and the Redskins.
The Colts have already made it known that they will take Luck with the first pick. Even if they don't and decide to trade the pick, the team they trade with will be trading up for Luck. The Redskins will also be using their pick to take either Barkley or Griffin.

Until today I figured that we didn't have to worry about the Vikings selecting a QB with their first round selection because they took Christian Ponder in the first round last year. Today though, the HC of the Vikings pulled Ponder from the game because of his poor play. If Ponder continues to perform poorly over the next three games, it would not surprise me in the least if the Vikings decide to take Griffin or Barkley with their pick, depending on which of these QB's are still on the board.

I don't think Ponder has the tools to be a franchise QB and I think the Vikings may be coming to that same conclusion. I know I would much rather see Barkley or Griffin as the QB of the Dolphins, rather than Ponder. There is also a strong possibility that the Vikings may fire their head coach when the season is over. If this happens, a new regime in Minnesota may not feel obligated to stick with Ponder either. Right now I think there is a very good chance the Vikings would attempt to trade Ponder for a second or third round pick and they will go after one of the top three QB's in next years draft. I hope I am wrong, but the benching of Ponder today was not a good omen for the Dolphins, in regards to getting Barkley or Griffin.

Ponder's a rookie QB. Very few of them wind up not sucking for periods at a time. They're not going to abandon ship on Ponder that early.

"ckparrothead wrote:

Does Sparano get fired this week? Or do we need to lose up in Buffalo to see that happen?

I said before that if we lost to Oakland then Sparano should get fired immediately after. So I'm saying it again, a second loss in a row to go 4-10 should see Tony fired before the season ends so that the team is in no way handcuffed in its search for a new Head Coach.

Still don't think he gets fired yet, although I did say they had to at least play well. Today they didn't, but if they lay another egg in Buffalo he might be gone.

"jw3102 wrote:

I agree with your comments but I am not so sure about the Dolphins getting one of the top three QB's. If the Dolphins end up picking sixth, it is likely they will be drafting behind the Colts, Vikings, and the Redskins.
The Colts have already made it known that they will take Luck with the first pick. Even if they don't and decide to trade the pick, the team they trade with will be trading up for Luck. The Redskins will also be using their pick to take either Barkley or Griffin.

Until today I figured that we didn't have to worry about the Vikings selecting a QB with their first round selection because they took Christian Ponder in the first round last year. Today though, the HC of the Vikings pulled Ponder from the game because of his poor play. If Ponder continues to perform poorly over the next three games, it would not surprise me in the least if the Vikings decide to take Griffin or Barkley with their pick, depending on which of these QB's are still on the board.

I don't think Ponder has the tools to be a franchise QB and I think the Vikings may be coming to that same conclusion. I know I would much rather see Barkley or Griffin as the QB of the Dolphins, rather than Ponder. There is also a strong possibility that the Vikings may fire their head coach when the season is over. If this happens, a new regime in Minnesota may not feel obligated to stick with Ponder either. Right now I think there is a very good chance the Vikings would attempt to trade Ponder for a second or third round pick and they will go after one of the top three QB's in next years draft. I hope I am wrong, but the benching of Ponder today was not a good omen for the Dolphins, in regards to getting Barkley or Griffin.

stop it, your scaring me..

I think we might be in front of the redskins..lets hope.

"Stringer Bell wrote:

We're getting a new front office? Would be a shock to me.

We're not. Ireland is staying according to PFT via everyone's favorite Dolphins beat writer.

"jw3102 wrote:

I agree with your comments but I am not so sure about the Dolphins getting one of the top three QB's. If the Dolphins end up picking sixth, it is likely they will be drafting behind the Colts, Vikings, and the Redskins.
The Colts have already made it known that they will take Luck with the first pick. Even if they don't and decide to trade the pick, the team they trade with will be trading up for Luck. The Redskins will also be using their pick to take either Barkley or Griffin.

Until today I figured that we didn't have to worry about the Vikings selecting a QB with their first round selection because they took Christian Ponder in the first round last year. Today though, the HC of the Vikings pulled Ponder from the game because of his poor play. If Ponder continues to perform poorly over the next three games, it would not surprise me in the least if the Vikings decide to take Griffin or Barkley with their pick, depending on which of these QB's are still on the board.

I don't think Ponder has the tools to be a franchise QB and I think the Vikings may be coming to that same conclusion. I know I would much rather see Barkley or Griffin as the QB of the Dolphins, rather than Ponder. There is also a strong possibility that the Vikings may fire their head coach when the season is over. If this happens, a new regime in Minnesota may not feel obligated to stick with Ponder either. Right now I think there is a very good chance the Vikings would attempt to trade Ponder for a second or third round pick and they will go after one of the top three QB's in next years draft. I hope I am wrong, but the benching of Ponder today was not a good omen for the Dolphins, in regards to getting Barkley or Griffin.

I could see us trading up for Barkley if necessary, in all honesty.

"PhinGeneral wrote:

Ponder's a rookie QB. Very few of them wind up not sucking for periods at a time. They're not going to abandon ship on Ponder that early.

I hope your right, but who would you rather have as your QB, Ponder or possibly Griffin? As a Dolphin fan I certainly don't want the Vikings to take a QB in the first round, but I just wouldn't be that surprised if they did.

"jw3102 wrote:

I hope your right, but who would you rather have as your QB, Ponder or possibly Griffin? As a Dolphin fan I certainly don't want the Vikings to take a QB in the first round, but I just wouldn't be that surprised if they did.

I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the Vikings take Jonathan Martin or Morris Claiborne. We just better hope that the Matt Kalil returning to USC story was simply a rumor.

"GridIronKing34 wrote:

I could see us trading up for Barkley if necessary, in all honesty.

Personally I think Miami is going to have to trade up to get one of the top three QB's, because if we don't trade up, someone picking behind the Dolphins in the draft will probably make a trade to jump over the Dolphins and select one of the big three. I could easily see the Browns, Chiefs, and Seahawks, attempting to trade up in the draft in an effort to select one of the top three QB's before Miami is on the clock.

"GridIronKing34 wrote:

I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the Vikings take Jonathan Martin or Morris Claiborne. We just better hope that the Matt Kalil returning to USC story was simply a rumor.

Kalil stated that if Barkley stayed in school, he was also going to remain at USC. He also stated that if Barkley decides to enter the NFL draft, he was leaving too. So not only is it a bad sign if Kalil is leaning on staying at USC ,because that might mean that Barkley is also leaning in that direction. If Barley decides to stay at USC, the Dolphins chances of getting Luck or Griffin appear very slim, unless they make a major trade of draft picks to move up and get a pick ahead of the Redskins and possibly the Vikings in the draft.

"GridIronKing34 wrote:

I believe our needs from a needs standpoint are:

Quarterback - if we don't take a quarterback with our first round pick, the fanbase WILL be in panic mode. Pretty sure fans will riot and things will not look good here. There should be plenty of options for us to take a quarterback in the first round from Matt Barkley, Robert Griffin III, Landry Jones, Brandon Weeden, etc. (Assuming that these guys declare at least). We should be able to land one of them; I'd love either Barkley or RG3 personally.

Right tackle - Marc Colombo is awful. We could use an upgrade over Vernon Carey too but I think we can fill that need via free agency. We seen what this line looks like without Jake Long and it's not pretty.

Free safety - I don't believe Reshad Jones is the man for the job and I don't know if Chris Clemons will get another chance (I thought he played well in 2010). I think we need to take a free safety in the 2nd/3rd round or spend some money in free agency for one. Michael Griffin perhaps?

Pass Rusher - We need a pass rusher opposite of Wake. I don't know if Misi is that guy, but that doesn't mean we should get rid of him.

Wide receiver - We could use a more dynamic #2 receiver. I would like to see us make a run at DeSean Jackson, I don't think he'll come cheap but with his attitude he will surely be a discount. A guy I like in the draft that will probably be a 2nd-3rd round pick would be Marvin McNutt out of Iowa.

jackson and marshal on the same team - Good luck not enough balls to go around - there would be plenty of blow ups on the sideline

"finfaninilinois wrote:

jackson and marshal on the same team - Good luck not enough balls to go around - there would be plenty of blow ups on the sideline

Jackson has averaged 3-4 catches per game during his career. He's a big play guy, not a possession guy... I don't see why people don't think these two can co-exist.

I think the positions Miami has to upgrade are pretty obvious: QB, OL, pass-rusher, FS.

My dream scenario at this point would be getting a high enough pick to get Matt Barkley without trading up, etc. If you can get him, I'd be very tempted to deal back into round 1 for Courtney Upshaw. Those two would go a long way into improving the Miami Dolphins.

As far as the OL, I'd really like to see them target Ben Grubbs, the LG from the Ravens, in free agency. Obviously, I think a draft pick or two will be spent there as well.

FS is the mystery to me. Dashon Goldson maybe?