I'm not defending Tannehill anymore

"CitizenSnips wrote:

Just so we're clear, that's Bushrod getting beat, and that's Jawuan James behind them doing absolutely nothing.

I think you are correct. I zoomed in on the photo and it looks like James is still in his stance. Oh my. If Tannehill is the answer, the question must be - What QB is least likely to survive the season?

"Dorfdad wrote:

Toss it ti 32 hes open across the middle for 4-5! Teams do this to US every drive!!!!! Ryan has to react quicker Tom Brady, Big Ben, Russel, Brees, Rodgers all make that completion. Ryan is good when he has time. Teams just rush us and we cant react! Ryan has to be better!! Plays are there

Um, yeah, his head isn't around #1. #2 you have no idea where in his route he's supposed to be looking for the ball anyway. This is not sandlot. I don't think enough people understand that.

"Brasfin wrote:

One thing I'm amazed by is how often Tannehill's passes get batted down at the LOS, he has to hold some type of record for this since 2012, anyone know this?

Hard to get stats on that, but at least in 2014 it seems like he had the most with 19 and was 3rd on the list percentage-wise with 3.2%:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2015/2014-incomplete-pass-breakdown-passers

Anyway, while it's possible some of that is due to the OL, I think you see way too many passes batted down at the LOS where Tannehill has a decent pocket. It has to be that he's telegraphing his throw more than the average starting QB.

"keypusher wrote:

Well, I see one receiver with his head already turned back towards the quarterback (just beyond the horribly beaten tackle) and a second receiver making his cut. Both are open. So RT should at a minimum be able to throw it away. What happened on the play?

I'm not dismissing your point. The pass blocking really was awful last night. But quarterbacking, like pimping, ain't easy. That's why QBs make so much money.

The guy with his head turned beyond the guard is a tackle.

"cbrad wrote:

Hard to get stats on that, but at least in 2014 it seems like he had the most with 19 and was 3rd on the list percentage-wise with 3.2%:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2015/2014-incomplete-pass-breakdown-passers

Anyway, while it's possible some of that is due to the OL, I think you see way too many passes batted down at the LOS where Tannehill has a decent pocket. It has to be that he's telegraphing his throw more than the average starting QB.

This is definitely an area Thill can work on.

"cbrad wrote:

Hard to get stats on that, but at least in 2014 it seems like he had the most with 19 and was 3rd on the list percentage-wise with 3.2%:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2015/2014-incomplete-pass-breakdown-passers

Anyway, while it's possible some of that is due to the OL, I think you see way too many passes batted down at the LOS where Tannehill has a decent pocket. It has to be that he's telegraphing his throw more than the average starting QB.

It has to be, because why? Not trying to be snarky, but, honestly, that's not necessarily a good deduction. The oline certainly is part of the problem, as they need to do a better job at engaging and keeping defensive players from getting their arms up. Certainly, Tannehill has to have a part also, on batted balls like the one where the defender simply backed up from olineman, and waited for the throw...yet, again, the oline needs to be attacking that guy, not allowing him to simply stand and wait for the ball.

Ryan had good protection overall for 2 1/2 quarters. His issues go far beyond protection.

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"resnor wrote:

It has to be, because why? Not trying to be snarky, but, honestly, that's not necessarily a good deduction. The oline certainly is part of the problem, as they need to do a better job at engaging and keeping defensive players from getting their arms up. Certainly, Tannehill has to have a part also, on batted balls like the one where the defender simply backed up from olineman, and waited for the throw...yet, again, the oline needs to be attacking that guy, not allowing him to simply stand and wait for the ball.

D-linesmen will get their hands up. Question is timing. If you have a decent pocket the primary driver of batted balls should be how much you telegraph when you throw. Yeah I think it's a good deduction.

"Fin-O wrote:

Draft JT Barrett.

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Best QB I have ever seen at OSU. I'm serious.

To be clear. I still think Tannehill can play. Our team is so bad in other areas he won't win here.

And that is on TannenBUM.

My buddy is a Broncos fan and knows a ton more about football than most, he said we have the worst O line he has ever seen.

And Tannehill has had that his whole career. He never had a chance to be good.

I just mean I won't be arguing with other posters about it.

"Shane Falco wrote:

To be clear. I still think Tannehill can play. Our team is so bad in other areas he won't win here.

And that is on TannenBUM.

My buddy is a Broncos fan and knows a ton more about football than most, he said we have the worst O line he has ever seen.

And Tannehill has had that his whole career. He never had a chance to be good.

Well, he's got at least the rest of this year, unless he starts playing REALLY badly, so don't write him off yet.

"Shane Falco wrote:

Best QB I have ever seen at OSU. I'm serious.

A mobile Joe Germaine

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"Stitches wrote:

The guy with his head turned beyond the guard is a tackle.

Yep, that was pointed out to me. Maybe I can get ThrowItToJu'Wuan turned into a sig.

"smahtaz wrote:

That's all well and good. What do you expect?

https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/781681269805551616

It's easy to say get rid of the ball sooner. There's also intentional grounding.

Look, there is no doubt the center and right side of the line caved in. But at this stage in the game Ryan should have a pretty good idea of who isn't holding up very well up there and have a contingent plan ........ which comes with "feeling" the pocket.

He's got two guys he could attempt to quickly whip the ball out to, but for whatever reason he's fixated on one spot, which happens to be Landry whom he force feeds alot. I don't even know why he considered that side of the field given the coverage.

Lots of blame to go 'round on that play - mostly the the O-line ..... but for f- suck take what the D is giving you and get rid of the ball!!!

"Rock Sexton wrote:

Look, there is no doubt the center and right side of the line caved in. But at this stage in the game Ryan should have a pretty good idea of who isn't holding up very well up there and have a contingent plan ........ which comes with "feeling" the pocket.

He's got two guys he could attempt to quickly whip the ball out to, but for whatever reason he's fixated on one spot, which happens to be Landry whom he force feeds alot. I don't even know why he considered that side of the field given the coverage.

Lots of blame to go 'round on that play - mostly the the O-line ..... but for f- suck take what the D is giving you and get rid of the ball!!!

So he should have thrown to a guy he can't see, or the guy who isn't looking for the ball?

Thanks for your input.

"Shane Falco wrote:

So he should have thrown to a guy he can't see, or the guy who isn't looking for the ball?

Thanks for your input.

You're crazy.

The guy on the left is already flat footed staring right at Tanny. The RB over the middle is mid-break - he's literally turning. By the time the ball comes out and hits him his head would have already been turned.

Seriously how long do you guys think it takes a human to turn his head? The point is getting the ball out of the pocket to avoid negative plays.

"Rock Sexton wrote:

You're crazy.

The guy on the left is already flat footed staring right at Tanny. The RB over the middle is mid-break - he's literally turning. By the time the ball comes out and hits him his head would have already been turned.

Seriously how long do you guys think it takes a human to turn his head? The point is getting the ball out of the pocket to avoid negative plays.

LOL your hate blinds you. Look at the pic. He has maybe a half second before he gets crushed. How is he going to turn his head, see the WR, throw the ball in a half second?

Learn.

Good, there is no defending his horrible play anyway...

"WhyaskWhy wrote:

Good, there is no defending his horrible play anyway...

You just don't take the hint do you, Phins Up Wins Up.

Get lost, again.

"Shane Falco wrote:

So he should have thrown to a guy he can't see, or the guy who isn't looking for the ball?

Thanks for your input.

Rock has a point. I'm not sure the guy on the left has his head turned yet (can't see his helmet), but an incomplete pass is better than a sack and those are the only options available.

"smahtaz wrote:

Rock has a point. I'm not sure the guy on the left has his head turned yet (can't see his helmet), but an incomplete pass is better than a sack and those are the only option available.

I don't think he had enough time. If he pulled his arm back to throw he would have fumbled.

"Rock Sexton wrote:

Look, there is no doubt the center and right side of the line caved in. But at this stage in the game Ryan should have a pretty good idea of who isn't holding up very well up there and have a contingent plan ........ which comes with "feeling" the pocket.

He's got two guys he could attempt to quickly whip the ball out to, but for whatever reason he's fixated on one spot, which happens to be Landry whom he force feeds alot. I don't even know why he considered that side of the field given the coverage.

Lots of blame to go 'round on that play

Actually, if you watch this video of the play, you will see as it plays on, there's a defender right there. Probably beside that Dolphins player you barely see at the side of this frame. The only legitimate option he had was Drake, but the DT probably blocks/knocks down that pass.

https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/781921924133912576

"WhyaskWhy wrote:

Your kidding right? You still think Tannehill can play? Pull your head out of Tannehill's a__ and come back to reality.

That kind of post will not be tolerated and has been reported.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

This was one play.

This one is my favorite.

https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/781915702982799360