Improv! Could there be chemistry developing...or even better....?
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Galantforum_veteranOPReally interesting article from Salguero:
Here's a short excerpt. Follow the link above to read the whole thing. It's worth it.
"Ryan Tannehill completed 17 of 24 passes for 240 yards and two touchdowns while he stayed away from turnovers. His QB rating was 130.6 which was impressive when you consider his best receivers so far this year, Stills and Landry, missed most of the week of practice.
“It was a tough week for him when two of your guys aren’t 100 percent,” Gase said. “We lost a couple of days of practice there. We didn’t go through a lot of new things we wanted to put in. We had to bag some things before the game. We made a couple of things up on the fly. And guys did a good job of executing.”
You read that last paragraph right. The Dolphins made up a couple of plays on game day. Gase came up with a motion play to Jarvis Landry before the game and drew it up in the locker room. DeVante Parker, who had his best day of the season with five catches for 105 yards, actually suggested to coaches the play in which he caught a 53-yard pass from Tannehill.
It was Parker’s idea to do a stutter move on his deep sideline route to get open. And, yes, it worked."
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dirtylandryNew MemberParker must be feeling better then
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djphinfansubscriberSpecial teams td last week to win..pick six the following week to win..
Just find a way to win boys, keep that mantra..
dolphin25forum_veteranTannehill was brilliant this game. Defense was awesome. Great win.
Lord help us.
Rock Sextonforum_veteranAll I know is I don't have a clue what to do with myself. I'm not used to all this #winning and the team looking competent LOL.
I swear, I must have seen 10-12 other Dolphin fans out at the bars I hang at for Sunday Funday here in Scottsdale,AZ. That almost never happens, it's usually only me.
KeyFinforum_veteranWhile I don't think much of Armando, he was absolutely right- we had plenty of excuses to lose this game. In fact, most of you expected a loss because of Rivers and their run defense, but our team just kept plugging away. It was a defining win in many different ways.
Winning football games at any level comes down to winning in the trenches.
"KeyFin wrote:
While I don't think much of Armando, he was absolutely right- we had plenty of excuses to lose this game. In fact, most of you expected a loss because of Rivers and their run defense, but our team just kept plugging away. It was a defining win in many different ways.
Postgame, the biggest excuse (and a valid one) would've been the g'damn REFS!
But overcome we did.. it's what good teams do.
resnorforum_veteranI hate to even write this, cause I know it's going to elicit the wrong response from some...I even cancelled a post last night because I didn't want to stir certain posters up...but, whatever, here we go...
The Tannehill we're seeing right now, and the gameplan being used, really, REALLY reminds me of how Pete Carroll and the Seahawks started Wilson out. This is how Tannehill should have been used to begin his career. Wilson was not asked to throw 50x a game. Yes, he was asked to make plays at crucial points, but the game, I think, slowed down for him, and he played loose. Gase is finally doing for Tannehill what should have been done as a rookie. I mean, look at his stat lines the last four games...they're eerily similar to the type of game Wilson was having his first couple years. Please understand, I'm not trying to compare Tannehill to Wilson, I'm simply comparing the situation, and the effect it's having for Tannehill. Hopefully Tannehill can progress quicker than a rookie, since he does have four seasons experience.
KeyFinforum_veteran"resnor wrote:
I hate to even write this, cause I know it's going to elicit the wrong response from some...I even cancelled a post last night because I didn't want to stir certain posters up...but, whatever, here we go...
The Tannehill we're seeing right now, and the game plan being used, really, REALLY reminds me of how Pete Carroll and the Seahawks started Wilson out. This is how Tannehill should have been used to begin his career. Wilson was not asked to throw 50x a game. Yes, he was asked to make plays at crucial points, but the game, I think, slowed down for him, and he played loose. Gase is finally doing for Tannehill what should have been done as a rookie. I mean, look at his stat lines the last four games...they're eerily similar to the type of game Wilson was having his first couple years. Please understand, I'm not trying to compare Tannehill to Wilson, I'm simply comparing the situation, and the effect it's having for Tannehill. Hopefully Tannehill can progress quicker than a rookie, since he does have four seasons experience.
I think you're wrong- but not for the obvious reason that most would assume. Tannehill had some amazing games 3, 4 and 5 years ago that would make highlight reels...and then he'd come out the next week and stink up the place. So we had people on both sides of the fence pointing to each performance type making their points. He's great! He sucks! We've heard it a million times.
Just compare weeks 1 & 2 to any of the past 4 games- it's a completely different offense. Earlier the game-plan was to give Tannehill the underneath stuff and force him to beat you deep 1:1. But then we started doing that, plus we developed a strong run game in the process as well. In other words, the offense for the past four seasons was completely one-dimensional- the offense these past four weeks could beat you dozens of ways. So teams can't walk into our house with a clear formula for victory anymore; they have to play run-first and keep the safety over the top as well. It's a completely different look since we're so balanced.
For Tannehill, that means he has to do so much less because the pressure is not there to personally move the chains 20+ times a game...he just has to make occasional plays when they're not fully expected. And that's a beautiful thing for any QB. So I don't think the situations between Tannehill and Wilson are similar at all. Tannehill now has a far superior line, a stud RB and a variety of receivers who can beat you all over the field. The blocking is worlds better, the team is playing motivated, and people are stepping up on a weekly basis.
Heck, remember in week one with Stills dropping the easiest TD pass in the history of football? Landry dropped three that day as well. Stills dropped a 2nd pass, and Parker dropped one on a crucial 3rd down. But that feels like eons ago because these same receivers are not just going through the motions anymore...they believe in their QB and this team. At the end of the day, football is about so much more than stats and X's/O's. It's about passion, intensity and a willingness to overcome when the chips are against you- and that's the offense Ryan Tannehill is currently playing in.
So not to discredit anything that he's done....but he's not doing it alone and that makes all the difference in the world.
Winning football games at any level comes down to winning in the trenches.
resnorforum_veteranAbsolutely agree, he's not doing this alone.
But, he's also, hopefully, learning how to be consistent. He's developing trust with his teammates and his coaches. That's the sort of stuff I'm talking about when comparing situations. Not necessarily the situation as far as quality of players or things like that.
Fin-Oforum_veteranOffense has scored 27-28-30-31 points the past 4 games. Holy hell who would've thought after the Bengal Titans debacle.
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Offense has scored 27-28-30-31 points the past 4 games. Holy hell who would've thought after the Bengal Titans debacle.
Feels good. Like warm apple pie
Gotta subtract Kiko's pick 6 and Grant's 96 yard return.
Fin-Oforum_veteran"resnor wrote:
To be fair, the offense didn't score 31 yesterday.
Ehhhh what I posted sounds better
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djphinfansubscriber"KeyFin wrote:
I think you're wrong- but not for the obvious reason that most would assume. Tannehill had some amazing games 3, 4 and 5 years ago that would make highlight reels...and then he'd come out the next week and stink up the place. So we had people on both sides of the fence pointing to each performance type making their points. He's great! He sucks! We've heard it a million times.
Just compare weeks 1 & 2 to any of the past 4 games- it's a completely different offense. Earlier the game-plan was to give Tannehill the underneath stuff and force him to beat you deep 1:1. But then we started doing that, plus we developed a strong run game in the process as well. In other words, the offense for the past four seasons was completely one-dimensional- the offense these past four weeks could beat you dozens of ways. So teams can't walk into our house with a clear formula for victory anymore; they have to play run-first and keep the safety over the top as well. It's a completely different look since we're so balanced.
For Tannehill, that means he has to do so much less because the pressure is not there to personally move the chains 20+ times a game...he just has to make occasional plays when they're not fully expected. And that's a beautiful thing for any QB. So I don't think the situations between Tannehill and Wilson are similar at all. Tannehill now has a far superior line, a stud RB and a variety of receivers who can beat you all over the field. The blocking is worlds better, the team is playing motivated, and people are stepping up on a weekly basis.
Heck, remember in week one with Stills dropping the easiest TD pass in the history of football? Landry dropped three that day as well. Stills dropped a 2nd pass, and Parker dropped one on a crucial 3rd down. But that feels like eons ago because these same receivers are not just going through the motions anymore...they believe in their QB and this team. At the end of the day, football is about so much more than stats and X's/O's. It's about passion, intensity and a willingness to overcome when the chips are against you- and that's the offense Ryan Tannehill is currently playing in.
So not to discredit anything that he's done....but he's not doing it alone and that makes all the difference in the world.
wilson has a line that's making collectively about 4 mill..he was unreal against the pats..there's no more wilson debate..that sh$$ is over.
Ryan was unreal against the chargers.
rafaelforum_veteran"resnor wrote:
I hate to even write this, cause I know it's going to elicit the wrong response from some...I even cancelled a post last night because I didn't want to stir certain posters up...but, whatever, here we go...
The Tannehill we're seeing right now, and the gameplan being used, really, REALLY reminds me of how Pete Carroll and the Seahawks started Wilson out. This is how Tannehill should have been used to begin his career. Wilson was not asked to throw 50x a game. Yes, he was asked to make plays at crucial points, but the game, I think, slowed down for him, and he played loose. Gase is finally doing for Tannehill what should have been done as a rookie. I mean, look at his stat lines the last four games...they're eerily similar to the type of game Wilson was having his first couple years. Please understand, I'm not trying to compare Tannehill to Wilson, I'm simply comparing the situation, and the effect it's having for Tannehill. Hopefully Tannehill can progress quicker than a rookie, since he does have four seasons experience.
That's been my contention all along. The situation around a QB matters. I fully believe that if their draft situations had been reversed, we'd be having the exact same conversations about how Wilson can't carry a team, isn't consistent and hasn't won a playoff game and how great it would be to have Tannehill who already won a SB in Seattle.
Since there's been decent blocking with a healthy line the last few weeks, RT's true colors are starting to finally show. It's still too early to tell since it's mostly been Ajayi during the prior 3 weeks, but if the line continues to show consistency and Gase continues to adjust with good timing, it should be a good chance to see how Ryan does over the remaining schedule and that should give us a very good picture of what he really is... finally. Only with continued balance can he be fairly evaluated. Getting 100+ QBRs when he's getting pressure on every single down is unrealistic. That's what all teams desire to have, but it's not what 95% of teams get. I'd venture that less than a handful of current QBs can carry a team that has an atrocious OL or lacks other offensive stars to provide balance. So only now, with this balance can we evaluate RT fairly. And if we slip back to old habits, then we'd be right back in the same debacle. It'll be interesting to see how we do if we have to remove Albert for a couple weeks. Hopefully if it comes to that we can absorb that hit. It would certainly reduce our options on offense, and make it easier on the opposing schemes. We'd have to pull some surprises, or have other areas step up to survive that I think.
BigNastyDB13New Member"resnor wrote:
To be fair, the offense didn't score 31 yesterday.
True. Plus the special teams TD in the previous week. But to be fair the offense most likely scores 28 pts vs Chargers if they didnr get away with raping Parker on that 3rd n goal. Officiating was pathetic and obviously 1 sided. This team has a chance of being legit if/when Howard comes back. If we can get both CB healthy we have a shot. Right now Lippett and Maxwell are our 2 biggest flaws. Would love to see this team with Reshad Jones, Howard and Culver healthy with the D line playing the way it is now
BigNastyDB13New Member"seekerone wrote:
Since there's been decent blocking with a healthy line the last few weeks, RT's true colors are starting to finally show. It's still too early to tell since it's mostly been Ajayi during the prior 3 weeks, but if the line continues to show consistency and Gase continues to adjust with good timing, it should be a good chance to see how Ryan does over the remaining schedule and that should give us a very good picture of what he really is... finally. Only with continued balance can he be fairly evaluated. Getting 100+ QBRs when he's getting pressure on every single down is unrealistic. That's what all teams desire to have, but it's not what 95% of teams get. I'd venture that less than a handful of current QBs can carry a team that has an atrocious OL or lacks other offensive stars to provide balance. So only now, with this balance can we evaluate RT fairly. And if we slip back to old habits, then we'd be right back in the same debacle. It'll be interesting to see how we do if we have to remove Albert for a couple weeks. Hopefully if it comes to that we can absorb that hit. It would certainly reduce our options on offense, and make it easier on the opposing schemes. We'd have to pull some surprises, or have other areas step up to survive that I think.
We dont lose much at the LT spot without Albert. I think Tunsil can step in and play at a high level from the get go. Where we might lose something is at LG with Urbik replacing Tunsil. I think we will still be solid though as long as everyone else stays healthy.
djphinfansubscriber"rafael wrote:
That's been my contention all along. The situation around a QB matters. I fully believe that if their draft situations had been reversed, we'd be having the exact same conversations about how Wilson can't carry a team, isn't consistent and hasn't won a playoff game and how great it would be to have Tannehill who already won a SB in Seattle.
Damn rafs, you too eh..wilsons game does not depend on surrounding variables, relative to the variables he's gonna always be a great player, because that's what he is, a great player not dependent upon anyone.
dolfan7171New Member"Rock Sexton wrote:
All I know is I don't have a clue what to do with myself. I'm not used to all this #winning and the team looking competent LOL.
I swear, I must have seen 10-12 other Dolphin fans out at the bars I hang at for Sunday Funday here in Scottsdale,AZ. That almost never happens, it's usually only me.
You don't see me there...I'm always the only one when I go to Buffalo Wild Wings in Phoenix AZ
Win, Lose, or Tie, I will be a Dolphins Fan Until I Die:up:
SICKforum_veteran"resnor wrote:
I hate to even write this, cause I know it's going to elicit the wrong response from some...I even cancelled a post last night because I didn't want to stir certain posters up...but, whatever, here we go...
The Tannehill we're seeing right now, and the gameplan being used, really, REALLY reminds me of how Pete Carroll and the Seahawks started Wilson out. This is how Tannehill should have been used to begin his career. Wilson was not asked to throw 50x a game. Yes, he was asked to make plays at crucial points, but the game, I think, slowed down for him, and he played loose. Gase is finally doing for Tannehill what should have been done as a rookie. I mean, look at his stat lines the last four games...they're eerily similar to the type of game Wilson was having his first couple years. Please understand, I'm not trying to compare Tannehill to Wilson, I'm simply comparing the situation, and the effect it's having for Tannehill. Hopefully Tannehill can progress quicker than a rookie, since he does have four seasons experience.
100% this, I have said all along, swap Tannehill and Wilsons careers, and they'd have close to similar success imo.
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resnorforum_veteran"djphinfan wrote:
Damn rafs, you too eh..wilsons game does not depend on surrounding variables, relative to the variables he's gonna always be a great player, because that's what he is, a great player not dependent upon anyone.
That's simply not true. He still needs other players to make plays.
Two Tacossubscriber"djphinfan wrote:
wilson has a line that's making collectively about 4 mill..he was unreal against the pats..there's no more wilson debate..that sh$$ is over.
Ryan was unreal against the chargers.
You seem to have missed his point. The comparison was how Tannehill is being used now to how Wilson was when he came in as a development tool, not their current skills. Okung, hell Gallery for that matter, were paid more individually than the Seachicken entire line is now. Plus Lynch. The contention is that Wilson's development benefited from and he is a better QB today because of the situation he had as a rookie. A situation that Tannehill now has and is responding to.
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Fin Dforum_veteran"djphinfan wrote:
Damn rafs, you too eh..wilsons game does not depend on surrounding variables, relative to the variables he's gonna always be a great player, because that's what he is, a great player not dependent upon anyone.
lol, you've gone too deep into insanity with Wilson.
There is no such thing as a QB whose game doesn't depend on surrounding variables.
You're basically describing a mythic creature.
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