This could be posted in a general, non-Dolphins forum, because it applies across the board, but I think it's worth posting here for general consideration.
When a player is declared 'injury prone' what does that mean? How can it be measured?
Here Dr. Chao, former team doctor for the Chargers, has a Twitter thread discussing the idea of any player being 'injury prone'.
Many thoughts are heading towards Tua, and he mentions Tua, but this goes beyond just Tagovailoa and should educate all of us on how we think about players, injuries, risks, and assessing players.
Follow this link for a roll up of the thread:
https://threadreaders.com/thread/1249025872754921473
Or if you want to read the original thread on Twitter the first Tweet is here:
The TLDR?
Tua (just like most players) is NOT injury prone or fragile. Medically speaking, his injury history should not affect his draft position much. However, some players, in the way that they play, can open themselves up to more injuries. This is something many players have to learn from.
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Tua has been hurt and missed games every single season his entire life. Every high school year....every college year....I'm sorry, but that's injury prone. Maybe it's not fair and maybe he never gets hurt again, but a guy can't get hurt seven seasons in a row and then expect to be injury-free against even higher competition.
I mean, if you flipped a quarter seven times and every toss landed on tails...there'd be some that would swear the next flip has to come out heads. Others would question the quarter itself though and demand you flip a different coin, and I think that's what is going to happen with Tua. Does that make him injury prone? No....yes....it honestly doesn't matter because perceptions become reality.Last edited: Apr 12, 2020Hooligan and Surfs Up 99 like this. -
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What I got out of that is that Dr. Chao thinks Tua puts himself into situations where he gets hurt, but is not injury prone. The issue is that Tua has yet to learn how to avoid getting injured -it certainly won't be easier in the NFL to learn what he failed to learn in High School or College.
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There's absolutely no possible way to know....but teams do spook easily when it comes to a top-5 pick. They search so hard for a red flag that sometimes it's invented out of nothing. Just look at Tunsil- best tackle in the draft and he was free-falling over a two year old bong video. Every team should have seen that months before the draft but somehow it spooked 6-7 teams to pass on him. I don't think the truth matters here because the caution by GM's will be real either way.
By the way, grats on not commenting on my coin-flipping analogy! Anytime I write something with probabilities, I pause to make sure it will meet your approval. I actually re-phrased it a little to avoid your math wrath. =)Surfs Up 99 likes this. -
Some players have play styles and or body composition and dynamics that make them more prone to injury. Not every player has the same bone/tendon/ligament/muscle density. Some players are just built more sturdilly than others and can take more punishment withought breaking something.
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Tua has also had "contact" injuries even one of the ankles...those are different from soft tissue non contact issues.
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Here's what Lombardi actually said-
At the same time though, if the report is false, then why isn't Tua or his agent saying it's false? I can't find anything like that anywhere online of them denying the claim. So for now, I'm assuming it's a true statement OR the Dolphins leaked it while promising Tua to take him at #5 if he didn't deny it.Surfs Up 99 and resnor like this. -
I dont see how it's even debatable.
Look up the definition of prone. It means
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likely to or liable to suffer from, do, or experience something, typically something regrettable or unwelcome.
So injury prone in this context means more likely to be injured than the average player.
It doesnt matter WHY he is injured. The fact that he has been so many times, dating back to broken wrists, you can easily say he is more prone to injury than his peers because it's a reality that has already unfolded.hitman8 likes this.