IMO, we are back to normal down in Davie after adding Wallace/Keller/Gibson/Ellerbe/Wheeler and resigning Clemons and Garner.
Have they done enough in FA so if it ended tomorrow, Dolfans should be happy with what they accomplished?
I can see Davie being happy with the OL heading into the Draft, Cornerback just seems a bit undermanned with proven veterans heading into the Draft and the Cb talent pool is drying up rapidly.
Eric Winston probably writes off trips to SFla from his taxes as this is his second tour down here and yet he left w/o a contract both times. Suspect he visits family when down here and never really had any intention of signing a deal.
What I'd like to see:
-add a blocking Te, Fasano's leaving means we have no one who can do that job and they work cheaply
-add some vet Rb depth, maybe roll the dice on a Ahmad Bradshaw
-add a vet De/pass rushing specialist, it's fine to believe in OV, however you can't really bet a season on him. And AFAIK, Chicago's Melton is still on the market.
Thoughts? Did they go far enough in FA?
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Good post. I'd like to see an OL and DE signed for depth.
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Melton was given the franchise tag, I think.
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I'm pretty sure that Ross, Ireland, Philbin and co. would say that they aren't satisfied yet with FA since it's not complete. I think most of us feel the same way...
Yeah, I like the things they've done so far, but I still think that OT and CB and potentially DE need to be addressed before we get to the draft. They seem to be doing those things, or at least looking into those things as we speak...
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And all proven young Vets, not a Nannee in the group.
My question is more along the lines of if my fellow fans think that is enough or should other pieces be added?
The mistake the Eagles made is they went all in, w/o also counting on young guys already on the roster developing, for example Brandon Moore is a fine Vet G, we also have John Jerry who is young and up and coming, passing on Moore and relying on Jerry is not a bad strategy at all.
Especially with Garner in house and healthy, if JJ comes in bloated Garner can take his RG slot.Fin-Omenal, AdamC13, Rhody Phins Fan and 1 other person like this. -
They consider the draft process and free agency together as the player acquisition period. Maybe they won't do anything until after, or during, the draft.
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I'm pretty happy with what they have done, CB is a huge concern for me and I would not be surprised to see a trade up for a CB or OT. Either to the top of the 1st rd or back into the 1st. It is my very humble opinion we have set ourselves up very well to do almost anything in this years draft.
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I don't think Miami has done enough, however I do think they are doing a good job. FA is not over, I would rather answer this question at the end of July.
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It's almost like Ireland uses the visits as an excuse ("well, we talked to these guys but they wouldn't sign").
There are obvious needs ... In some cases it could be that the player is looking for big money. But, I just don't get it. If you invite a guy in - be serious about his value (you should have talked to the agent already to get a feel for the cost).
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I wouldn't feel great about the draft if it were tomorrow; we would have to pick a few specific needs (T, CB, RB, maybe DE) pretty early to go into the season with sound starters at all positions. Started the off-season with holes at WR, CB, T, DE, and TE. We've addressed one of those, maybe 2 if you count renting Keller. I like the guys we've added for the most part, but one more signing at CB would really help. Free Agency is a chance to fill/plug holes and set yourself up to draft with freedom, pick talent over need. If the draft were tomorrow, I don't think we'd have much freedom or flexibility. -
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I think the price and value of corners has come down due to the shift in the game. With the rules and offensive schemes, even the best corners are getting beat. As well, with three playing most of the time, you simply cannot pay heavy at all three spots. If you pay a Revis $13M, teams will just avoid him and throw all day on the slot corner playing on the minimum.
I think you now need three "solid" corners, good cover safeties and two excellent pass rushers. If we're playing primarily a zone, I'm not sure you take zone corners at pick 12 in the draft or pay heavy in free agency.padre31 likes this. -
we have a lot of draft picks to use. I'm hesitant to sign middle-tier starters right now if they end up getting cut in training camp when they hopefully get displaced by the rookies.
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I'm a little worried. I think people are underestimating how important the decisions regarding our 2013 OT's will be, like i said before, it could make or break our season. if we cant pass protect on an offense that will be heavily pass oriented, adding Wallace, Gibson and Keller really wont matter. We should have signed Vollmer the second Jake Long signed with STL, strengthen your team while weakening a division rival. They're both injury prone but Vollmer has been more consistent the last couple of years, he's cheaper, and he's played both tackle spots.
And we have nothing at corner right now. I'm not trying to rely on 2 rookies like back in 09. It's funny how we were all fine with letting Sean Smith walk because the FA corner market was so stacked. well we're 11 days in and we haven't signed one damn corner. Now they are all gone.
Then there's DE, Michael Bennett signed for 1 year, 5 mil with a team that already had Avril, Clemons, and Bruce Irvin...reports said we only offered him 4.5 mil...? Less competition for him here, had we offered him bit more he likely would've signed. Ireland can give Wallace 12 mil/yr but 5 mil is too much for a 27 y.o. DE that can rush the passer and stop the run? Makes no sense to me.
Now I'm not saying we should've filled every hole in FA, we obviously still have the draft next month, but to leave all 3 of these deficiencies unaddressed up to this point when the FA market has dried up is definitely troubling, we're talking about DE, CB, and OT here, these aren't just minor components, these are 3 of the 5 most critical positions on the field. -
"Shut down corner" means as much today as "franchise left tackle"
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In the interview with Ireland and Ross, Ireland made a comment about not being finished and continuing to build the team through the draft and other player aquisition times (I'm paraphrasing). I think he was refering to after cut downs when you can pick up some quality cap-casuality vets. I could defintely see us waiting until then to add a blocking TE or a back-up RB.
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I don't want to make a big deal of anything. But these are my thoughts.
1. They signed Mike Wallace for money I wouldn't have given. I made that clear a long time before there were believable reports that Miami really was after him and for the longest time I flatly disregarded those reports, so if someone wants to sit here and say I only don't like spending that much for Wallace because Miami actually did it then all the power to you but you're wrong. It's just not something I would've done. He'll be a valuable addition but I think the money is going to bite us down the road.
2. They inserted a lot of risk at the LB position particularly with the Dansby for Ellerbe swap. Ellerbe is a nice player. I think they paid too much for him relative to his experience level. The Wheeler for Burnett swap I could get on with but doing that AND also doing this Ellerbe for Dansby swap is a big risk. These are not guys you know, that have been playing in your system. The rules about return on investment in free agency therefore apply. So I'm cautiously optimistic like everyone but also pretty wary.
3. Brian Hartline for $6 million a year was too much but I can understand why they did it. They fear the return on investment for free agency that I talked about. He's the devil they know and he actually pairs really well with Mike Wallace. So I can dig it. But the priority has to be on replacing Davone Bess with someone much more athletic and much more capable of producing big plays. Hence all the Tavon Austin talk. He's on my list. I'm not opposed at all.
4. But then why sign Brandon Gibson with $4 million guaranteed? While Davone Bess is on the roster, all this is, is a development clogger. Not a fan.
5. I like the Keller signing particularly at the price they paid. I didn't think I was going to because I thought he'd get more money and on a longer term contract. He's not the seam threat people think. But he is going to work the same side as Mike Wallace and catch passes underneath once Wallace clears the area. Sanchez was late and inaccurate on those throws in particular and I don't think Tannehill will be. Having him here gives Egnew a chance to still try and make good. Even so, every attempt should've been made to get Martellus Bennett.
6. Allowing Jake Long to walk was a mistake, IMO. There's no other way to put this. I like the contract the Rams got him on. I'd have done that. The Dolphins could lessen this mistake by signing a Sebastian Vollmer but I don't think that's going to happen. I don't like what they're doing here so far, at all.
7. Nervous about the corner position. This talk of Miami not needing valuable corner investments because of their zone scheme is as nonsensical as last year's talk about Miami not needing valuable receiver investments because of Philbin's scheme. Fast forward a year and Miami is shelling out $100 million in contracts at the receiver position and may still use a #12 overall pick on it aside, so obviously all that talk was a bunch of horse sh-t. I feel like once we fast forward a year from now we could be looking at the same thing with the corner position. Hopefully they stem that by grabbing a Brent Grimes, and hopefully his Achilles turns out fine. Or hopefully they make an RFA offer on Sam Shields but that seems doubtful. Hopefully they make smart investments in the position in the Draft.
8. I don't like one bit punting the free safety position by buying one more year with Chris Clemons. I think we got away with some things in 2012 with him not being challenged as much as he could've been. But that card could turn up at any time, and it'll be costly when it does.
9. Grabbing Matt Moore for $4 million a year isn't what I would've done. It's not a big deal but it's not what I would have done.
10. God help this defensive end position opposite Cameron Wake if they punt on the pass rush specialists still available and then they try and go cheap on it in the Draft.DPlus47, Serpico Jones, jw3102 and 4 others like this. -
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There are four clear positions of need (potentially 5 if you include LT) - RT, OG, DE and CB (2). The hope is that with $14 M available they Should be able to hit 3 of those spots. Preferably the OL and either DE or CB (I'd prefer RT, OG, DE with CBs available in the second round).
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1. I think they had to and I am hoping the Cap will go up in two years. The biggest challenge may be next year, imo, as he has a big salary. I also think he's going to be a good player. Certainly, risk is there.
2. Really did overpay here. What is interesting is that Wheeler has the lower overall # ($26 M to $35 M) but got the higher guarantee ($13M to $7M). Still, I am very optimistic about these guys and like the youth they bring. But, it is a big risk if they don't come through.
3. Completely concur.
4. Exactly. Don't get this.
5. Agree on Keller as well. Got a good deal.
6. Also tend to agree. If we trade up to get a LT in the draft - very painful. WHy they don't show interest in Vollmer is puzzling.
7. This is a concern. Landing a UFA and then getting a CB in round 2 would be ideal, imo.
8. Think they may need to address this in the draft as well. Might have been better trying to land one of the UFAs here.
9. Guess they feel he's the best backup QB option out there (hard to know the inner workings of the team and how much he contributes as a teammate to Tannehill's development). But the fact that they still have $14 M in cap space this year indicates they should be able to do more.
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A 26 yr old Wr who rarely misses games, who was asked to step up and did, those rarely hit the market.
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Antwan Barnes' contract with the Jets is for 3 years and $4 million by the way. Keep that in mind as you see the Dolphins offer $5 million to guys who have been less efficient pass rushers over the last 5 years.
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If ppl are complaining about our FA up to now then they are nitpicking. We had more holes than a colander going into Free Agency. Now we've got a few holes and FA hasn't finished. I'm hoping we reach the point when Draft day arrives we actually pick the BPA and not need.
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Perhaps irish isn't really done yet padre...
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I can almost be ok with Martin at LT in 2013 but we need an entire Right side of our offensive line. We currently do not have anyone on this team I would trust at RG or RT and that includes Yeatman. Yeatman is a project, plain and simple. There is no reason for me to believe after he was inactive for a lot of games last year he will magically be a starter this year.
We need a RG RT a d lineman to compliment Wake and a good corner. Do not care how we get them. The priority is the RG and RT. If we do not replace Jerry and our RT losing Jake Long is going to make us look like even bigger dam Yahooo's and Ross does not want that, not at all.Da 'Fins likes this. -
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That said Im sure he gets a healthy deal.
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