Davis hasn't allowed a touchdown in coverage since Week 13 of the 2013 season.
Pro Football Focus, an analytics site which grades every play of every NFL game, recently ranked Davis No. 6 on their list of the top 101 players of 2014.
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Well Philbin is the one that traded Davis and chose not to resign Smith..really we were set at CB for years.
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VD is a pit bull in the secondary. Made game changing hits and plays. That is my biggest beef with Philbin, he didn't know how or want to work with players who need helped along to see their full potential. Hopefully that has changed. I'm not sure tho as we see Matthews sit and rot on our bench demanding trades.
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One of Ireland's many cherries on top of a crap sundae. The worst part was not even getting a 1st round pick or TY Hilton out of the deal, which is what happens when you trade guys just to trade them
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Davis shows up smelling of alcohol before a game (and may have had more incidents of in-house alcohol-related instances). Davis shows up overweight to camp. Davis was immature. This was Davis' fault; but blame the coaches, right?
Yes, he's a helluva talent who is still young. He's finally showing it. Miami got good compensation. It's over. It's been over. This is a Dolphins Forum. Please move on from former players....jdallen1222, ripper1961, Aqua4Ever04 and 10 others like this. -
TDs allowed in coverage is an awful stat IMO.
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Philbin can be blamed for being complicit in the deal and even contributing to the rationale by making a big deal about things that probably shouldn't have been such a big deal, but ultimately it was Jeff Ireland who took the phone call from Ryan Grigson, negotiated with him, presented the trade to the group and then pulled the trigger.
It's just as big a knock on Kevin Coyle because before Vontae was traded, Coyle had bumped him down to nickel corner which is about a 50% participation position. And he did that in favor or Richard Marshall who was a bad free agent signing that I believe Coyle pushed for.
Great case of pretty much nobody having a clue what they were doing and a bad decision resulting. Though credit to Ireland for getting a 2nd rounder for Vontae as that was a higher price than you'd usually expect in such situations. Then again, they got the high price because he was more than worth it.Sceeto, Clark Kent, Colmax and 2 others like this. -
That's true and the only time that Matthews gets is rare....but when you put him on the field he has the talent to have Big games and Philbin just buries him deeper all the time...this is a receiver that Philbin should have given him playing time so there would be a good shot at a trade for him...I bet C-Kaep would love to work with Rishard again.:up: -
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[insert picture of Jeff Ireland looking like a jackass here]
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I don't like Ireland, but if we're gonna lambaste him for the trade, then also credit him for the initial selection of Smith and Davis.
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He is that good, I picked the Colts to beat Denver because of vontae more so than Luck. And Vontae made the difference that game. Also Sean Smith is a very good CB too, i would say he is top 10. This says a lot more of our previous regime more than anything.
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Defending these moves is not the way you move on. You accept that it was one of many dumb decisions made by a dumb executive, and you simply hope the new regime makes smarter decisions. That's how you move forward. -
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If Vontae didn't put the team in a bad position he would still be here...
...and by the way Brent Grimes would never have become a Dolphin.
So, yeah, continually bashing all the negative aspects of Ireland and never giving any credit to the positives seems really biased.
I'm not going to sit here and debate a GM that hasn't been here for 2 years, because that's not worth the headache and I know better, but it's insulting that you apparently view the world as a bunch of idiots who can't face reality when in fact it seems quite the opposite based on what you just said.
There are reasons that things happen in this world...sometimes those reasons suck. Vontae Davis got himself traded. It's perfectly fine to say that being traded is what changed him.
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No, Vontae was not a scrub while here. You don't get 2nd picks when trading away scrubs.
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The trade made sense in that Coyle plays mostly off coverage and a lot of zone. That's not a strong suit of either Smith nor Davis. It's a major stretch to say either one of them would have performed as well in Miami as they have with their current teams. Same goes for Brandon Marshall.
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Vontae's aggressive instincts were horrible for his role in Miami. He'd make a great play and then turn around and leave someone wide open or draw a flag. Sean Smith was just never quick enough to handle his duties and I can't tell you how happy I was when Miami wasn't the team who paid him big money.
Both were good players, above-average in my mind. That said, I'm glad Sean Smith is gone and I'm disappointed Vontae Davis isn't more mature because he could've developed into the more well-rounded guy he is now that still makes good plays without taking as much risk.
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You also seem to have no issue shifting Vontae's short-comings onto other people.
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If that's your assumption, say it.
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Just checking for sanity here. :)
C'mon, you don't know anything more than anyone else here and yet you are insisting you do by proclaiming Philbin never tried to help Vontae.
Man...you are siding with the lesser of two characters there...defending the guy who we know broke rules and going against someone's character who you've never met.
I'm just trying to bring this into perspective. Replace Philbin in that scenario with your best friend. Do you still assume the worst? No, so stop doing it to Philbin.
What I hate is that people make stuff up or concoct a script and then they believe the stories that are in their own head. They say the same opinions 1000x and then treat it as fact when it's not. If you openly hate Philbin then your analysis doesn't mean anything. By assuming the worst you degrade your own reputation.
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I know he never played a regular season game for Philbin. You do know that, right? I know that for a fact. And you know that. Yet you want us to believe nobody here really knows if Vontae was given a chance to grow up.
How long was Sean Taylor immature before he grew up and finally got his act together before he was killed? Vernon Davis?
Philbin once said of a player, his best quality is he keeps his mouth shut. That's the type of manager he is. Get rid of anyone who makes him uncomfortable. I'm not making anything up and it doesn't take a huge leap of logic to connect these dots.Fin4Ever, Aqua4Ever04, CashInFist and 3 others like this.
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