Jarvis Jones

"Nappy Roots wrote:

lol, thats funny. I had the same thought about Torrey Smith. Didn't think he would translate. at. all.

Same. If you look at his skill set, it didn't really at the time. In most cases, he doesn't. But I had no idea about his mentality, which you can't really grade.

"Stitches wrote:

:lol:

Well I had others, he was just the 1st to spring to mind because I was way off.

Jimmy Kennedy is another one, and Courtney Brown.

Courtney Brown? Really? Courtney Brown?!?

William Green (former Boston College RB) for me...I thought he was going to be an absolute beast.

"sports24/7 wrote:

Do you think Jones could be a 4-3 end eventually? Obviously he'd be a situational pass rusher early, but do you see him more as a DE or OLB a la Von Miller?

Yes. No way he is a full time DE in a 4-3 IMO.

"Stitches wrote:

:lol:

Well I had others, he was just the 1st to spring to mind because I was way off.

Jimmy Kennedy is another one, and Courtney Brown.

Not that he turned out to be as great as his draft stock, but in that draft I seriously thought beforehand the Browns should take Arrington.

"RoninFin4 wrote:

He'd be an OLB a la Von Miller. I believe he'd take on Koa Misi's role from last season from day one if Miami drafted him. He's a 3-down player.

As a rookie though, IMO, we'd use him how the 49ers used Aldon Smith as a rookie and how the Seahawks used Irvin.

"MrClean wrote:

As a rookie though, IMO, we'd use him how the 49ers used Aldon Smith as a rookie and how the Seahawks used Irvin.

I think he'd be a starter from day one. IMO, if Miami drafts Jones, they're going to end up trading Koa Misi and Jones would start. I think he's that good. He's not making a position switch as Smith did in San Francisco, and he's more complete than Irvin was coming out. That's my thinking.

"RoninFin4 wrote:

I think he'd be a starter from day one. IMO, if Miami drafts Jones, they're going to end up trading Koa Misi and Jones would start. I think he's that good. He's not making a position switch as Smith did in San Francisco, and he's more complete than Irvin was coming out. That's my thinking.

Assuming he does start, I'd hope they do not trade Misi. It would at least give us some viable depth for one season. Considering Ellerbe has never played a 16 game season yet, it would be comforting to have some depth with starter experience, and Misi isn't a big cap cost, being still on a rookie contract.

"ckparrothead wrote:

Courtney Brown? Really? Courtney Brown?!?

I was 15 at the time, lol. I didn't really remember anyone but the bigger named guys.

If I could go through my GML drafts, I'm sure I'd find guys who I thought I got steals on that busted out of the league.

"MrClean wrote:

Not that he turned out to be as great as his draft stock, but in that draft I seriously thought beforehand the Browns should take Arrington.

As did I. I thought Arrington should have went #1.

"Stitches wrote:

I was 15 at the time, lol. I didn't really know anyone but the bigger named guys.

Go with someone recent then, lol. There were 255 players drafted in 2010. There had to be at least one guy you adored that hasn't even taken a snap in the NFL, or actually did take snaps and just vomited all over himself.

"ckparrothead wrote:

Go with someone recent then, lol. There were 255 players drafted in 2010. There had to be at least one guy you adored that hasn't even taken a snap in the NFL, or actually did take snaps and just vomited all over himself.

Derrick Morgan and Sean Weatherspoon were two of my favorite players that draft. One is good, the other seems to be getting better at least (had an injury his 1st year). That's probably better than most 1st rounders I really want.

Oh, and I thought Arreleous Benn was going to be awesome, and he's been pretty darn bad. I also was a bit worried when the Jets took Kyle Wilson, because I liked him. I also really liked Rennie Curran, and I'm not sure he ever played in a game despite being a 3rd rounder.

At least I liked some other LBs that draft a lot who turned out pretty good (Lee, Bowman, and Perry Riley). But I also thought Andrew Quarless was going to be a steal that draft. Oops.

"ckparrothead wrote:

Go with someone recent then, lol. There were 255 players drafted in 2010. There had to be at least one guy you adored that hasn't even taken a snap in the NFL, or actually did take snaps and just vomited all over himself.

2009, Clint Sintim. I gave him to Miami with the earlier 2nd round in The Club Level Mock Draft.

"Stitches wrote:

Derrick Morgan and Sean Weatherspoon were my favorite players that draft. One is good, the other seems to be getting better at least (had an injury his 1st year). That's probably better than most 1st rounders I really want.

Oh, and I thought Arreleous Benn was going to be awesome, and he's been pretty darn bad. I also was a bit worried when the Jets too Kyle Wilson, because I liked him. I also really liked Rennie Curran, and I'm not sure he ever played in a game despite being a 3rd rounder.

At least I liked some other LBs that draft a lot who turned out pretty good (Lee, Bowman, and Perry Riley). But I also thought Andrew Quarless was going to be a steal that draft. Oops.

I'm with you on Benn. I thought he was going to be all-world.

"Stitches wrote:

Derrick Morgan and Sean Weatherspoon were two of my favorite players that draft. One is good, the other seems to be getting better at least (had an injury his 1st year). That's probably better than most 1st rounders I really want.

Oh, and I thought Arreleous Benn was going to be awesome, and he's been pretty darn bad. I also was a bit worried when the Jets took Kyle Wilson, because I liked him. I also really liked Rennie Curran, and I'm not sure he ever played in a game despite being a 3rd rounder.

At least I liked some other LBs that draft a lot who turned out pretty good (Lee, Bowman, and Perry Riley). But I also thought Andrew Quarless was going to be a steal that draft. Oops.

The judges will accept Rejus Benn.

Has-Benn.

Thinking about some of my other brilliant player evaluations...
I thought Leaf was going to be better than Manning
Leonard Pope was the next great TE
Has-Benn (thanks invid)
I thought Ginn would evolve into a Steve Smith (carolina) type player
I thought Heath friggin' Shuler was going to be awesome.
Ricky Ervins was going to be an incredible back for the Redskins
Lendale White would be a much better pro than Reggie Bush (thanks, tequila)

Self-evaluation: I know jack about squat.

I guess what I'm getting at is...I don't trust evaluators that can't remember any spectacularly bad calls they had. And I mean guys that they took a stand on, maybe it wasn't the most popular opinion, and they were just flat out wrong. Not like, "Oh I liked so-and-so whom everyone else in the world also liked and he ended up bad". Not, "I kind of liked so-and-so as an undervalued player and he's been kind of nothing more than a solid rotational guy".

I want, "I loved so-and-so to where I asked him if I could do a body shot off him at a party and he ended up Adolf Hitler."

I was a massive Derrick Morgan fan. Speaking of DEs. I was a massive Eric Norwood fan and was convince everyone would be so sorry for passing on him.

**(tirade not in any way meant to be directed at Stitches)**

"ckparrothead wrote:

I guess what I'm getting at is...I don't trust evaluators that can't remember any spectacularly bad calls they had. And I mean guys that they took a stand on, maybe it wasn't the most popular opinion, and they were just flat out wrong. Not like, "Oh I liked so-and-so whom everyone else in the world also liked and he ended up bad". Not, "I kind of liked so-and-so as an undervalued player and he's been kind of nothing more than a solid rotational guy".

I want, "I loved so-and-so to where I asked him if I could do a body shot off him at a party and he ended up Adolf Hitler."

I was certain that Abdul Hodge would be a better NFL linebacker than Chad Greenway. How's that?

I wanted Miami to draft Ray Agnew rather than Richmond Webb in 1990. I thought Aaron Wallace was going to be a Pro Bowl quality pass rusher in the NFL.
Rather than Sammie Smith and Louis Oliver, I wanted Miami to take Mark Stepnoski and Steve Wisniewski. I thought the OL needed more of a Polish representation.

"GridIronKing34 wrote:

I was certain that Abdul Hodge would be a better NFL linebacker than Chad Greenway. How's that?

The judges accept it.

"MrClean wrote:

I wanted Miami to draft Ray Agnew rather than Richmond Webb in 1990. I thought Aaron Wallace was going to be a Pro Bowl quality pass rusher in the NFL.
Rather than Sammie Smith and Louis Oliver, I wanted Miami to take Mark Stepnoski and Steve Wisniewski. I thought the OL needed more of a Polish representation.

Terrible call.

"RoninFin4 wrote:

I think he'd be a starter from day one. IMO, if Miami drafts Jones, they're going to end up trading Koa Misi and Jones would start. I think he's that good. He's not making a position switch as Smith did in San Francisco, and he's more complete than Irvin was coming out. That's my thinking.

Why not just keep Misi and ride his contract out for the season? Have him as depth, in case of injury and he knows the defense. Depth is something we have lacked, so trading away a relatively cheap player who would only get maybe a 4th or 5th at best, maybe I'm being kind. It might just make more sense from a depth perspective.