JJ Watt Option?

Dion Jordan was the 10th ranked tight end coming out of high school.

Yeah Jordan would probably be our best option but I dont think the staff is that innovative.

I'd also think maybe someone like Starks or another big guy lined up at FB in a jumbo goal to go set may help our redzone numbers inside the five.

Jordan obviously makes the most sense. Who could seriously cover that height?

Hadn't caught this before. Knew Dion was tall but didn't realise he had the extra reach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGIje72yCX4

Didn't Mike Wallace throw a pass a couple games back? If the coaches are willing to entertain that, surely it's worth considering using Jordan (or someone else) in an outside-the-box role - especially if, like Jordan, they're not playing every down. That's energy to spare.

"Alex44 wrote:

Yeah Jordan would probably be our best option but I dont think the staff is that innovative.

I'd also think maybe someone like Starks or another big guy lined up at FB in a jumbo goal to go set may help our redzone numbers inside the five.

This is always such a frustration.

"Galant wrote:

Hadn't caught this before. Knew Dion was tall but didn't realise he had the extra reach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGIje72yCX4

Didn't Mike Wallace throw a pass a couple games back? If the coaches are willing to entertain that, surely it's worth considering using Jordan (or someone else) in an outside-the-box role - especially if, like Jordan, they're not playing every down. That's energy to spare.

I highly doubt Jordans against it. He should be sitting outside lazors office as we speak

I would like to see Earl Mitchell get snaps as a lead blocker. He was a fullback and tight end in his first two years of college, and I'd tend to think athletically he can make whatever block you'd like and bring power while being a bit more technically sound than most "reporting eligible" players.

Look how long it took for this staff to figure out that Tanny can run.
Its completely changed his and the offense effectiveness.I guess you can say better late than never.

Jordan was a TE prospect out of HS .He can catch .It would be a logical step to send him into the opponents endzone against a smallish DB.:yes:

Rather than getting "creative," maybe Miami should invest a premium pick into a real TE and not mid round projects w/limited upside?

"Galant wrote:

So, amazingly, Watt has 4 touchdowns this season. According to CBS Houston:Watt's a pretty incredible player though, in addition to be a really caring man mountain.His last foray into the end-zone came lined up as a TE/WR. Apparently Watt played some TE while in college. This got me thinking about the Phins current lack of size in the TE position, and wondering whether there might not be someone from the defensive team who could make his presence felt in the end zone?As far as I'm aware we don't have anyone with a TE background, but maybe I'm wrong, or if not, maybe there's someone out there who can catch?Any thoughts?

Dion Jordan who I have been asking for awhile now to put him in at TE in the RZ..especially inside the 10 yard line..from this we can also bring in Matt Moore and split Tanny wide and then we have him at 6'4'' and Jordan at 6'6"" Miller in the back field and Wallace other WR running fade and Landry in slot...We could run so many plays from this formation and it would.give us great height advantage and be fun as hell.LET'S GO FINS ! ! !

"Disgustipate wrote:

I would like to see Earl Mitchell get snaps as a lead blocker. He was a fullback and tight end in his first two years of college, and I'd tend to think athletically he can make whatever block you'd like and bring power while being a bit more technically sound than most "reporting eligible" players.

The Titans did that last night with a DE and I was thinking we should try it since we don't really have much of a short yardage package. I was thinking JO but since Mitchell has played there before that would make more sense.

"Clark Kent wrote:

Rather than getting "creative," maybe Miami should invest a premium pick into a real TE and not mid round projects w/limited upside?

I think people are talking about a short term fix to help the red zone woes this year.

"Disgustipate wrote:

I would like to see Earl Mitchell get snaps as a lead blocker. He was a fullback and tight end in his first two years of college, and I'd tend to think athletically he can make whatever block you'd like and bring power while being a bit more technically sound than most "reporting eligible" players.

That is also a great idea Galant & Pate....maybe have him as the lone back as well while Jordan is at TE...Tanny is at WR, Moore is at QB, Landry in the slot, Wallace is the other WR and of course Mitchell FB or goes for Pass also..this variation and quite a few others out of this line up would be deadly inside the*RZ..Thanks again for reminding us all of Mitchell's offensive talent as well..My goodness...GOLD STRIKE ! !LET'S GO FINS ! ! !

"Clark Kent wrote:

Rather than getting "creative," maybe Miami should invest a premium pick into a real TE and not mid round projects w/limited upside?

We are talking about this year and how we can drastically improve our RZ scoring since we are #1 at trips inside the RZ but about 28th in scoring inside the RZ.

"Disgustipate wrote:

I would like to see Earl Mitchell get snaps as a lead blocker. He was a fullback and tight end in his first two years of college, and I'd tend to think athletically he can make whatever block you'd like and bring power while being a bit more technically sound than most "reporting eligible" players.

Interesting idea. I hadn't thought of that. He has the size and athleticism to be a devastating FB/lead blocker.

May as well just go completely crazy. Clay as a wildcat QB (which he played some in college), Mitchell in the backfield with him, Wallace on the jet sweep, Tannehill on the outside at WR and Jordan at TE. Could actually run an interesting package of plays with that personnel.

I think the idea of T17 as a WR isn't going to happen and shouldn't except, maybe, on some very rare occasions. Either way, though, we can acknowledge that I'll be Ryan behind centre for most, if not all, snaps and the prospective of getting his accurate, fast short balls a larger target or two is tantalising.

This seems like such a good idea I'd love to see it tried.

"Galant wrote:

I think the idea of T17 as a WR isn't going to happen and shouldn't except, maybe, on some very rare occasions.

Pretty sure nobody is suggesting that Tannehill should see a lot of regular time at WR. But there are looks we can give a defense that can confuse them and may give us a big play or two -- something this team sorely needs. This week's game is a good opportunity, IMO.

I think a defense sees your QB lining up as a WR and they are thinking, "I'm going to light this guy up!"

I do think lining Dion up on O could be interesting.

"Fineas wrote:

Pretty sure nobody is suggesting that Tannehill should see a lot of regular time at WR. But there are looks we can give a defense that can confuse them and may give us a big play or two -- something this team sorely needs. This week's game is a good opportunity, IMO.

Understood, but even occasionally I don't see the gain. The Phins don't lack WR, just big targets, so there's a gain there in using a defender on offense for certain plays. Putting T17 in as WR would only really offer a brief element of confusion - which QB is the real QB? It's a slight gain, that's why I said maybe on rare occasions, but considering the chance for a LB or CB to take a shot at your main QB (as 77 said), I don't think it's worth it.

"Disgustipate wrote:

I would like to see Earl Mitchell get snaps as a lead blocker. He was a fullback and tight end in his first two years of college, and I'd tend to think athletically he can make whatever block you'd like and bring power while being a bit more technically sound than most "reporting eligible" players.

and he can run, like fast..

I would love to do stuff like this for I think it adds something to the chemistry of the team..and could be quite effective..

look at dion Jordan in that video..what have we done to that poor kid..

kid is almost 6'7...need to line him up on offense and engage his ass, I mean for a #3 overall his rep count in low, so lets find another friggin role for him, keep him engaged and contributing.

"Fineas wrote:

Pretty sure nobody is suggesting that Tannehill should see a lot of regular time at WR. But there are looks we can give a defense that can confuse them and may give us a big play or two -- something this team sorely needs. This week's game is a good opportunity, IMO.

I think you could do some sort of read option jet sweep with Moore at QB. Moore reads the end and either hands to Tannehill or keeps it for a screen pass or slant to the other WR.

Then you have the option to send the outside WR deep. Tannehill can either keep or throw depending on how the defense reacts.

This is something I wouldn't want to see much of if any, but as a college look I think it would be deadly.

"clark kent wrote:

rather than getting "creative," maybe miami should invest a premium pick into a real te and not mid round projects w/limited upside?

​jesse james

Can we try Wheeler at kicker? He can't possibly be a worse kicker than he is a linebacker. Win win.

"Galant wrote:

Understood, but even occasionally I don't see the gain. The Phins don't lack WR, just big targets, so there's a gain there in using a defender on offense for certain plays. Putting T17 in as WR would only really offer a brief element of confusion - which QB is the real QB? It's a slight gain, that's why I said maybe on rare occasions, but considering the chance for a LB or CB to take a shot at your main QB (as 77 said), I don't think it's worth it.

I think there is a potential gain because Tannehill is pretty close to a legit receiver. It allows you to do unconventional things and with base personnel and have him be more than just a decoy. At 6-4, 225 or so he's a big target with receiving skills that could be useful in the red zone and elsewhere.

QBs take hits already. Probably more than WRs on balance. I wouldn't expose him to crossing patterns over the middle, but the hits he'd likely get on the perimeter will probably be less than what he gets 7-10 times per game in the pocket and on read option runs. Opposing DBs are not just going to be taking cheap shots at him anymore than opposing pass rushers (who are much bigger) do.