I got a call from Gruden last night, he said I'm a bit old, but he loves my enthusiasm for the game and thinks I would make a fine QB.


All joking aside, has the guy ever said anything bad about a player since he was fired?

We all know Luck has the tools.

 

You know the thoughts are crossing his mind..Dolphin head coach, with Luck as his executioner..

What I like about Gruden is his appreciation of history, especially our's..His comments about how it used to be around here, and how ''HE WANTED TO MAKE IT RETURN", was exciting to hear from a potential head coach prospect..

I still have Cowher as my personal first choice, but I would ride with the Grudster, I believe he wants to develope a QB from scratch.

 

WOAH WOAH WOAH!
From what I have been reading here lately and with all the ESPN gushing, Gruden is way behind on loving Luck as a prospect.

People have moved onto loving him as multiple Super Bowl winning Hall of Fame QB.

 

He sees that the Dolphin fans are on the SFL Bandwagon and he wants to jump in.Its a pretty good indication he wants to be the next Dolphin HC .:up:

 

As long as he doesn't call Andrew Luck "The Sheriff", I'm okay with Jon Gruden (hey, I'm a fellow Univ. of Dayton alum) and Andrew Luck.

 

And he had that quote about wanting to rekindle the rivalries with Buffalo and New England during MNF week 1. I think he ought to dust off his resume rather soon.

 

Gruden's offensive system was always veteran friendly in part because it contained an awful lot of verbiage, often too much for younger QB's to execute well. Luck, being a Stanford guy, probably has the ability to absorb and learn it quicker than your average QB, although I would hope Gruden would start a bit more basic and add things as they go along.

 

All WCO guys have long verbiage, really. Luck comes from a WCO system that featured a lot of plays and long verbiage. Its just a matter of how quickly he picks it up, and as you said intelligence is in his favor.

 

So, you're saying QBs from schools like Oklahoma and Oklahoma St may have longer learning curves in a Jon Gruden offense? ;)

 

What is the point of this thread? We all know Gruden loves QB's and it's obvious he is gonna be all over Luck.

 

Sorry, but I still don't buy Gruden as a QB guru. It's so easy to say something good about Andrew Luck. Let's hear his thoughts on Ryan Tannehill.

 

You know, I've been watching film on this kid from Texas A&M named Ryan Tannehill and really like what I see.

 

I like Jon a lot as an announcer, but based on what we have heard so far, next Monday night, he'll probably be making Matt Moore sound like a sure fire Pro Bowler, unless he and the rest of team just really stink up the joint.

 

"So Jon, what do you think of this ham sandwich?"

"This is the most spectacular ham sandwich I've ever, seen, mustard, cheese, mayo, it is the total package!!!"

BTW Mr C, that is Matt Moore in my sigpic, only he is more or less faceless as the SFLers think of him that way.

And there is the element of "yet another new Qb puts on the hat in Miami"

As for myself, I just wish to see what he can do for us, I kinda like his game, but think his skillset does not matchup well vs the Jest.

 

He got some really good years out of some average QBs.

 

We must have different definitions of "really good" and "average".

 

Thats some deep **** for a football forum. Well put though...

I'm okay with Gruden simply because I see a passion for the game. That hasnt been reflected in our coaching staff in the last 2.5 years as far as I'm concerned. Making the argument for the rest of the currents staff tenure would be difficult. I can see him getting a team emotionally charged and ready to go...sure that may not count for much, but it counts for something. At least as a fan you feel like you're watching people TRYING again.

Honestly...I'm still not seeing us as a Luck or Gruden contender. Maybe its just jaded Miami fan syndrome.

There was a vikings quote going around the internet right now... "When I die, I want the Minnesota Vikings to be my pallbearers so they can let me down one last time". I guess that applies to us Miami fans too. Somehow I see us getting screwed in the offseason, one way, or every way =D

 

Could Leavitt come with him?,

If we don't get Luck, what about a draft with somthin like RG3 and Denard Robinson.?

 

So Chucky is a positive guy. Where is the harm in that, for a HC type, Its a trait I'd like our HC to have rather than "I don't know!"

Would he be good for Luck or Luck good for him if both end up here. I say yes but thats just me. The same goes for Cowher imo concerning Luck as from the comments I've seen here and elsewhere both men are thought to prefer a Vet over a rookie/young QB yet I don't see that as set in stone as some do.

I think either man would be crazy to pass on a chance to draft a Luck type QB as well as being stubborn about how to use the kids talents just to prove a point!

 

John Gruden & Andrew Luck would be the best thing to happen to Miami since the perfect season!

 

I don't think we can fault Tony for not being positive. He is mind boggling in how positive he can be sometimes. He likes Reshad at FS, says he is doing a good job, while all of us are scratching our heads, saying "huh?" He is also positive on the fine job Marc Colombo is doing, even though none of us can see what is fine about anything Colombo has done.

 

Apparently that Dan Marino guy was a bum.

 

to whom it may concern:
1) Tony is a nice guy, affable in every way. the only thing I fault him for is being a bad Head Coach.
2) If we were to be so fortunate as to acquire John Gruden & Andrew Luck, this would be the winning formula to revitalize an ailing franchise.

however, it is what it is, very ugly and unpleasant @ the moment.
better to use another hook:dolphin:


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I like Gruden, but this is kind of an obvious statement. Anybody with an ounce of football knowledge realizes that Luck is a great prospect. I equate his statement with those politicians who say they are pro-agriculture. I mean who is going to say "we have to get rid of that agriculture thing".

 

Tony is not so much positive as he is nice. Tony even fist pumps FG's ...... Chucky not so much. Chucky's will come with pick 6's and 44 yd passing TD's!

 

You, sir, just provided the 'smoking gun' evidence to my theory that Jon Gruden would want to bring Jim Leavitt along as the Dolphins' Defensive Coordinator.

I love it.

The only down side would be that Leavitt's players were known for being dumb as hell when it came to stupid penalties and things like that, and as I recall Gruden's teams in Tampa became known for not being very disciplined. At least at USF, Leavitt had something of an excuse in that he was forced to recruit a lot of the dumbest kids in the state of Florida, the guys that couldn't make grades at one of the bigger SEC schools or Florida State/Miami.

I'm actually stoked about Jon Gruden based on the stuff you've dug up. Kudos.

 

I've always kind of figured that if Andrew Luck wasn't in the cards then he would err more toward Landry Jones than Matt Barkley. Landry seems more his style given what he'd like to implement at the next level.

 

That's what I have been speculating the last couple of days. I think he very well could. Keith provided a nice bit of evidence in favor of that theory which makes me all the more sure.

 

I have to say, it's kind of lazy how everyone is like "of course Gruden said something positive about Luck". I question whether some of you even bothered to read the article Keith shared.

Here are Gruden's quotes:

Yeah...clearly Andrew Luck is just another guy to Jon Gruden. Clearly Jon Gruden knows next to nothing about him and hasn't studied him, talked to people close to him and divined any insights about him.

 

I feel stupid for not finding the David Shaw connection earlier. David Shaw was Jon Gruden's Offensive Quality Control coach when Gruden was the Offensive Coordinator in Philadelphia. He moved to Oakland with Jon Gruden when Gruden was named Head Coach, and served as Quality Control for Gruden in 1998, 1999 and 2000. He was bumped to QB Coach in 2001 under Gruden. When Gruden was traded to Tampa, Shaw went over to Baltimore as QBs and WRs coach. Then he went to San Diego. When Jim Harbaugh got the Stanford job, he hired Shaw as his Offensive Coordinator.

Jim Harbaugh by the way was hired in Oakland by Jon Gruden's long time assistant Bill Callahan. Harbaugh was fiercely loyal to Callahan, even when things were going downhill, so I've read.

Quite frankly, I'm wondering if Jon Gruden didn't get Jim Leavitt that job he has out in San Francisco under Jim Harbaugh as Vic Fangio's LBs Coach.

I think you can call me now firmly in the tank for Jon Gruden. One significant fear I have is that Steve Ross ****s up to where he insists on keeping Jeff Ireland, or puts together something unimpressive to where Andrew Luck discusses things with his dad Oliver, and decides to pull an Eli/Elway...saying "I won't play for you". If Jon Gruden is Miami's Head Coach, I can virtually guarantee that is not going to happen. There's too much overlap between Gruden, Harbaugh and Shaw.

So basically among the things I would expect Jon Gruden to do if he were to coach here would be...hiring Jim Leavitt, possibly as Defensive Coordinator...and hiring Bill Callahan away from the Jets which would be IMO a significant loss for them. Whether Callahan would coach OL or be Gruden's OC again, I don't know. But I have always been impressed with how well COACHED the Jets offensive linemen are under Callahan. They're not doing well now but that's because they're trying to make chicken salad out of chicken sh-t. That's on Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan, for drafting duds like Vlad Ducasse and Matt Slauson, counting on them too much, releasing Damien Woody and then not replacing him, counting on a turd like Wayne Hunter. They're reaping what they sowed from a personnel standpoint, but Callahan is still a good coach.

 

How about this scenario: Let's say we hire Gruden and are in a position to draft Luck. Does Gruden then go out and hire Shaw as his OC? Then you have Luck in the same system he's been in for years. Talk about setting a rookie up for success.

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I think David Shaw would rather stay at Stanford than come up and be Gruden's OC...just a hunch.

I think what I would like to see is Jon Gruden come in, steal Bill Callahan away from the Jets in some capacity (possibly OC), steal Jim Leavitt away from the 49ers as our defensive coordinator...draft Andrew Luck, of course...and then I'm kind of undecided on the GM thing.

I would absolutely love Russ Ball to come in here and set up the Dolphins organization to be a winner...but would he come in and hire Jon Gruden? I'm at a loss on GM ideas if Gruden is our guy at HC.

 

You might end up with Ireland being the GM, but losing his "final say" power to Gruden.

 

Do you believe Bill Callahan would be a good OC?

 

That's a disaster in the making. Coaches should not have final say. That's how salary caps get screwed up and people get fired.

 

Didn't endorse the idea, just saying it might happen