What about the story where Cogs drowned Martin's puppy and made him watch while Pouncey shaved off all of Martin's pubes with a rusty machete? This is what sources tell me.

See? I can be mainstream media, too :)

 

Well the Dolphins haven't addressed this. So it might be true.

 

You mean the media started a self feeding frenzy again? Say it ain't so. Not like we don't see that evvvvvvveeeeeeerrrrrrrry offseason or anything.

 

The only caveat may be that Martin could have been "adversely affected" by the voicemails, but just didn't admit it and played along. I tend to agree with you that it probably wasn't a big deal at the time. IMO, it's fairly simple, Martin was bothered by the hazing, probably more than most young NFL players given his sensitivity, but it was much more easily tolerated when he was a starting member of the Oline. When he was demoted, it was more than his sensitive personality could handle and it broke him.

 

Good post, Fin D. Make sure to keep this OP and list updated throughout this.

 

When Salguero was on Mike and Mike this morning, he was very hesitant when asked about the coaches ordering Incognito to toughen up Martin. He refused to even say Omar's name (hah) and instead pointed out that only Omar Kelly has reported that angle and he himself does not think it has much weight.

 

You mean you haven't tried that thing with the syrup, gardening gloves, pear and dog-collar I suggested? Why do I even bother giving you advice?

 

Heh. Now they feel the house of cards begin to crumble. Hope they enjoy their 15 minutes.

 

Hey the team should reward them and give them even more access.

 

Egnew's transformation is what many hoped Martin's would be

 

I would think the demotion back to right tackle and the perception he might not be there after the season (really hurting his salary) with the timing of the Vegas trip was a lot to handle. The prank just sent him over the edge.

 

Fin D,

The Ireland punch comment was after Martin left? I was under the assumption Martin's rep called Ireland on this the day before Martin left because of the cafeteria prank. At least that's the last I have read other than what you posted.

Sharing the same sentiments of another poster, please keep this thread updated! Thanks!

 

You left out the part about Ireland holding martin down during this.

 

:lol:

 

The problem is team character assination, wherever any dolphin goes, their going to be profiled being one of the bully's or racists, all because that's what they media put out there for the masses to form their opinion out of,..it's BS, and this team should make them pay by sharpening their focus and execution, it's a unique way to make them look stupid..and start getting back their rep..

Our players, no one else..I root for them..

 

I'm not sure how you can say this is "debunked." The voice mails exist, were sent by Incognito and received by Martin. What we can debate is the impact those texts had on Martin. The picture those close to Martin have painted is one of a person who is socially awkward and may have a mental condition. The kid probably felt that he had to go along with the teasing and the pranks in order to fit in. I saw you say that it's his fault if he didn't show signs that it was bothering him but we all know that had he shown weakness the harassment would have only gotten worse. He may have passed the voicemail around the lockeroom, but how much did he feel compelled to pass it around? And was the rest of the team laughing with him or at him? That's the real question that needs to addressed here. I find it highly unlikely that he would save these voicemails and target Incognito in this if they didn't truly bother him. There are a lot more financially viable targets than Richie Incognito.

This could very easily be explained by what Murtha wrote in his article. And if it's true it only serves to further illustrate that the kid did have some social and interpersonal issues. However, Lydon Murtha, for a person who starts his article off saying he has no dog in this fight and only wants to speak the truth who them proceeds to use a lot of second hand accounts from former teammates rather than what he saw for himself as proof. As such I don't really trust that article.

Again, I'm not sure what your definition of debunked is. This actually happened. Our GM said that an employee should attack another employee. The man in charge of personnel for a million dollar business is promoting interoffice violence which could leave his corporation culpable. And while it may not prove in any way that Martin was bullied or that Philbin was aware of it, it does illustrate that Jeff Ireland doesn't have a ****ing clue and that there is a overarching need to replace the management staff.

This is true as far as we know. The only issue is that we don't know what was discussed in the meeting that Philbin and Martin had prior to all of this going down.

The other entries I have no comments on.

 

Can't you sue for defamation of character these days?

 

For the most part, I agree with most of your points Fin. The media will always paint a situation like this to look much worse than it actually is. There is a ton of misinformation out there. That being said, this is still an awful situation and it reflects very poorly on the entire organization. As fans we can defend the players, coaches, and even the FO but in the end the NFL is going to find out what they are going to find out and I imagine they will come down hard. And unfortunately the court of public opinion will play a part.

 

This will be forgotten. Don't worry about that.

 

so when do we expect incognito's suspension to be lifted? 2 weeks after this blows over?

 

Its not a matter of what secomd hand information is allowed and what isnt. Reporters don't report stories as first hand accounts that they have intate knowledge of. Lyndon murtha passed off his nonsense as a first hand account using second hand information which invalidates his entire article. Its a pretty simple concept

 

Except, sadly, in this ***ty, "newsflash!", 1-second story world....perception is changed by those who have the loudest voice, biggest boobs and the most airtime. Logic and facts are stuffed in the trunk.

 

The bolded part is where we disagree. Clearly there is at least some level of wrongdoing, or at the very least gross negligence on the part of the team here. The truth is probably not as bad as the media will lead us to believe but the media isn't just inventing something out of nothing here. I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle and the NFL investigation will hopefully find that out.

 

Could be as innocent as Joe Philbin and Jeff Ireland not knowing this **** storm was brewing. Or if they actually had anything to do with Incognito's actions towards Martin - which you acknowledge is a possibility - that is wrong doing. We can debate how wrong, but it's wrong.

 

Agree to disagree. Like I said I agree with a lot of the points you are trying to make but I can't buy the fact that the team did nothing wrong. A coach who has a pulse on his team sees this coming to some degree. And if Martin is this type of character, there's a real problem that he's on this team to begin with. Not only on the team, but in a starting role at a crucial position.

 

True. And,if the Dolphins are wrong then I`m confident in saying so are all the other teams in this league. I can only imagine what goes on in NFL locker rooms among the players. Good natured ribbing, ball busting....its the nature of the beast. If Martin never walked out we wouldnt be hearing about it with our team either.

 

Public figures have a higher burden of proof in defamation cases

In Florida, the offense of criminal libel still exists. Whereas defamation is generally a civil matter, Florida law recognizes some types of libel as criminal offenses. Knowingly sending libelous information to a journalist, for example, is a crime, as is the malicious spreading of false statements or even rumors .

If you think you have been defamed by a newspaper, magazine, radio or television station, you must make a demand for retraction before a lawsuit can be filed. If the newspaper, magazine, radio or television station publishes a retraction, you can still file suit, but your damages may be limited. Unless the media defendant acted with malice, bad faith or reckless disregard for the truth or falsity of the story, you can only recover your actual damages. No punitive damages can be assessed in the absence of these elements

 

Seems like the mercy rule might come in to play to help the media soon.