He hasn't been elite up to this point, but he's still growing as a player and Steve Smith is a good example of a WR that took a little while before he reached his full potential. Personally I think Ginn is going to be a better version of Chris Chambers, a #1 WR on our team, but not an elite #1.

 

This myth going around that Ginn is afraid of contact is stupid. He's not afraid of contact. He's not the most physical receiver, but he's not a deer. Keyshawn is just stupid.

 

Hey Keyshawn make a note to self. You were never ELITE either.


I dont agree with this at all. Ginn showed improvement from one year to the next and his body is just not built to go around taking on Lb'ers and big hitting safeties. He may never end up elite. He may never live up to where he was drafted but he's contributing more and more and he is a threat to go all the way every time he touches the ball.

Would I take Boldin over him? Ummm thats a no brainer.

signed:

Marvin Harrison

 

Most receivers don't do well when asked to block a linebacker. Not sure where he's going with that one.

 

Keyshawn Johnson just went from bad to worse in my book. Who does he think he is to make comments like those? Is he even qualified to evaluate other players? I thought the only thing he cared about was himself. He needs to keep his mouth shut.

 

Well Gish don't you know what made Jerry Rice great was his ability to block linebackers. Duh. Keyshawn is god and knows all.

 

You guys are taking this way to personally. I love Teddy and think he will improve next year, but Keyshawn made the correct assessment of him. Ted Ginn is not an elite receiver. The jury is still out on that. I hope he develops in to one, but if he winds up being a serviceable receiver I'll be happy, as long as he continues to hold on to the ball.

A lot of people thought Chris Chambers was an elite WR so I think there might be some bias towards our own players:tongue2:

 

I'm not a big fan of Keyshawn, but he makes some good points. Ginn is not a physical WR, Parcells likes physical WR but as also had Ginn type guys (see Terry Glenn).

I think we are more likely to see The Fins draft a guy like Britt than give up draft picks for Boldin.

 

I don't care about his final judgement of him not being elite. I agree with that. I question how he came to that decision.

 

Keyshawn probably saw more of Ginn early in the season than he did later in the season. Ginn did look scared to take a hit when the season started and even ran out of bounds when a first down was right in front of him if he took a hit... But as the season progressed he developed a bit more..

 

how can Keyshawn claim that Ted Ginn is scared? I'd really like to know. Did Ted call him up crying about the hits he has taken? What a bunch of garbage.

 

Don't know what you guys are getting all worked up about.
He didn't say anything that wasn't true.

 

a coaching foot probably went up his ***.

also; ginn doesn't like to get hit.

who does? certainly not boldin after that mean one last year.

 

its all opinion and speculation. and hes full of ****.

 

A bunch of people here claimed Ginn was scared when he ran out of bounds, not once, but twice against San Diego. Keyshawn has the right to say that, especially if we debated the same points. As I stated in my second post in this thread, if you watched the first 8 games of the year you could argue that Ginn played a bit scared, but as the season progressed he began to feel more comfortable and play more in the middle of the field.. So like I said, I agree that Ginn has not reached elite level, and can see where Meshawn is coming from, especially if he only watched parts of Ginn's game. I no longer think he plays scared though.

 

You mean the same way you say Keyshawn can't know?

I'm not saying Ginn is or is not afraid of contact, I don't know. But Keyshawn is a Parcells guy, Keyshawn did spend time in our camp, Keyshawn does talk to Parcells. That's more than we can say.

So I listen to what he says with an open mind, I just won't disregard what he is saying just because he is Keyshawn.

And Ginn has shied from contact since being here, but I have no reason to say he is afraid, just as I have no reason to say he is not.

 

I don't like Keyshawn either, but he is right about Ginn on this. Ginn is nothing special at this time, no DB is scared of him.

 

Sounds about right to me.

 

While I agree that Ted Ginn isn't elite (yet), that "Ted Ginn is afraid of contact" crap is really old and untrue.

 

Except Parcells isn't coaching this team... Sparano is. Parcells put together the staff and he's letting the staff do it's job. Parcells is the producer, he hired a director in Sparano and a casting agency in Ireland. Not every director/casting agency does things the same way, which is why there is a hiring process. I fail to understand why people still consider this to strictly be Parcell's team, not Sparano or Ireland's team.

Look at it how you want, but it's Sparano coaching the players and Ireland finding the players. Parcells just oversees it all, that's basically it.

And I don't see why people want Ginn to take on all contact, I prefer him to go down rather than take a big hit. I don't think he really shies away from contact, look at the reverse in Oakland, he broke a few tackles there. I think he shies away from getting lit up and that's the right thing to do. At the beginning of the year he made the mistake of running out of bounds at times, well through time he learned as he has only done that a few times.

People aren't disregarding what Keyshawn is saying because he's Keyshawn no matter what you think. If someone else said this, the same people would be arguing against that very statement.

 

Really... as much as I hate to say it, i agree with this in some ways. Ginn will never be elite. No doubts about that at this point i think. However, ginn showed improvements this year in his production, and I think we will continue to see that growth again and hopefully another increase in production from him. He's definately not a physical receiver, I do feel like he tries to avoid contact, however thats just not who he is. Nothing can be done about that, lets face it, his body is not meant to take poundings from linebackers and safeties over the middle. With a strong #1 guy here, Ginn can be a great #2 guy with the supporting cast.. unfortunately at this point in time its just not there.

 

More like Ginn will never be elite in half of our fanbase's eyes because they put Hall of Fame expectations on him or overhype past wide receivers not named Chris Chambers....

 

Ginn & A #2 for Boldon

 

Right ginn is scared if you forget all the times he didnt run out of bounce and took nasty hits while holding on to the ball. Otherwise hes a giant *****. And if keyshawn watched only part of ginn's game, then I think we have every right to question his opinion on ginn.

 

Keyshaun's opinion didn't mean squat until this thread........it had no weight until we made it have weight by being upset....ignore it the guys a bum

 

Keyshawn Johnson is an idiot in every sense of the word. Anyone who has watched him on ESPN should know that. Do you really think that Parcells is trusting his plans to Keyshawn Johnson? I haven't ever heard him speak objectively in the time he has been on ESPN. No matter what the topic. He said that Anquan Boldin reminds him of how he played in the NFL. What a load of crap. Boldin is 5 times the WR that Keyshawn is. I put no weight to Keyshawn opinion of ANY player in the league. He is the absolute LAST person I would go to in order to get the scoop on how good a player is. The fact that he thinks he's in a position to take potshots at Ginn is laughable, or enfuriating, depending how much previous Keyshawn exposure the listener has been subjected to. I've had enough of him.

 

I just overheard Ted Ginn, Jr., he said, "Meshawn Johnson, not a Hall of Famer."

Meshawn has that cocky smirk on his face all the time because he knows he sucks.

 

The 2008 Ginn was better than the 2007 Ginn

If the 2009 Ginn were better than the 2008 Ginn then we've got our #1 receiver.

Maybe not elite, but if he keeps developing he'd be a very good WR, he's not that far from that, though he needs to improve to get there. Better than Keyshwan btw.

 

Johnson's right on the money.

Although he would've had a chance to be an elite WR if he had this man throwing to him:



But since he doesnt, then we'll have to settle for improvement because Ginn at this point is the type of WR that blazes down field and we dont have a starting QB (with all due respect to Pennington) that can hit him in stride like Marino could.

 

How do you guys no he is not going to be an elite receiver?

 

Ginn is not afraid of contact. And Ginn can become an elite receiver.

 

It's not personal. Keyshawn is just an idiot sometimes.

I've yet to see anyone disagree that Ginn is not elite. Actually it's stating the obvious on that. It's where he says he is scared to take hits like Ginn is some 240 pound Wr in a TE's body. He is a slim player and he better be looking NOT to get hit or he'll never get the chance to show he can be elite.

Ginn has a long way to go but he's improved on almost every aspect of his game. Some people put the bust label on him because of where he was picked. Well to me thats water under the bridge. We can't take that back but he is well on his way to being GOOD imo

 

I don't know about that.

Ginn isn't elite? Note to Keyshawn "No S**T!!!"

 

I think you would be very wrong if you think Parcells does not have a say in everything.

When the Dolphins traded away a seventh-round pick to the Jacksonville Jaguars for defensive lineman Tony McDaniel, a trade general manager Jeff Ireland wanted to make, football czar Bill Parcells made Ireland promise he'd get that pick back somehow.

Draft picks are that valuable to the Dolphins, even seventh-rounders.

 

The jury is still out. Labeling a receiver before he has a third year under his belt is premature, IMO.

 

Ginn is not an elite WR but he still could be eventially. He is still young and is developing his pro game and some receivers take longer than others to reach a higher or elite level.
He could be running out of bounds to keep from getting injured. He probably wouldn't last 16 games if he took a hard hit all of the time. He is just not that big physical type receiver and was never hyped as one coming out of college.

 

Is this perhaps Keyshawn taking a jab at Parcells, because Parcells didn't ask him to Miami as a player or coach ?

 

DB's aren't afraid of Ginn? Really? I seem to remember it slightly differently...