It does seem to be Bryant or McClain right now which is fine with me.

 

McClain at 12 would be a **** in my pants type moment.

 

Ah, 'tis the draft season when Mel Kiper's name appears in a cloud of hair.

His mock drafts are entertaining, but the guy has something like a 25% success rate, so I wouldn't bother taking anything written here as gospel. After all, there's a 3/4ths chance that it's incorrect.

 

I scrolled and saw Bryant went at 10 and I was like "****, ****, mother ****ing, ****, ****!"

But then I scrolled down 2 more picks and I was alleviated somewhat. McClain is a great consolation prize.

 

Exactly!!!!
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All that being said, although one of the Guru's in here swears that kiper is the best thing since pockets on shirts, I think he's a meathead and gets too much play by being a "Shock" type of guy.

 

I see McClain as a decent consolation prize as well. Although I'm not sure if he or Thomas would be the smarter choice.

 

Rams really should take Suh as Clausen is just not #! overall Qb imho.

They have the #33, that would be a good place to pick up a Qb.

As for Ro McClain...heck yes...welcome to Miami!

And My.02 but Jason PP has a incredibly high bust potential, if the Jags take him they sort of are buyng the car without the test drive.

Which would also mean Q Groves or Richardson would not be in a good place in Jax.

 

No it really wouldnt be a good place. In the past 10 years you have 1 QB to come out of round 2 a success - Drew Brees, and it took him years to ascend to his current level. Chad Henne had a good season Kevin Kolb has flashed, and thats it. Its a QB wasteland once you get out of the first round.

If you need a QB, you take him in the first, end of story imo. The Rams need to bring in someone and just be done with it, or they will continue to be a mediocre franchise for years to come, with or without Suh.

 

To be fair, Raiders have been picking in top portion and they screw up every MOCK, year after year, by taking the likes of Darrius Heyward-Bey.

And trade ups like what the JETS did screw the pooch too.

So, all in all these top 12 are hard to argue with.....will it happen like this...probably not, but on 1/20/10 its not like he had other directions to go.

 

I'd say just the opposite Rd 1 is Qb Bustland, rds 2 and 3 are much more productive.

We took Chad Henne were?

Drew Brees?

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftquarterbackbusts.php

 

Thomas would be a smarter choice IMO because it would comeplete the secondary... making it a strenght of the team.

 

The actions of two teams does not knock an accuracy rate all the down to 25%.

 

On 1/20/10 who is higher than 25%???

 

The problem is that Kiper is 25% at the end of April.

 

ehhh......darts on a dart board really when 32 NFL WARROOMS/clubs are making random decisions and over 224 kids are getting their names called, etc.

never have tracked who the BEST of the BEST are at this prediction stuff...so couldnt tell you if 25% is meaningful.

 

Read Gosselin the day before the draft. Means you won't have to watch the stuff yourself.

 

Not fair, they have 10 people working on the mocks....:lol:

 

/quote Monty Python

You are a very silly person and I'm not going to talk to you anymore.

/end Monty Python

 

For what it is worth, this site "claims" to be the best predictors :lol: even post their numbers on the front page! lol

http://ourlads.com/

 

So over the last 5yrs the best is 26.4% and Kipers is 2nd @ 25.2% :lol::lol: yeah, what a bum!

 

Yep,

I followed that other link where that site got the info from and found this page - it list the best of the 2009 draft in the story

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.co...wanted_it!_The_2009_mock-draft_scorecard.html

 

25% is abysmal, but the entire field is terrible.

Edit: Looks like the link was already posted. Okay then, you see what I mean.

Son of Edit: Nope, two different articles, same source, same topic. Both are informative and make the point very well.

 

On ESPN today, the word was that Chan Gailey would stick with Trent Edwards as he's the kind of guy that "can get the most out of him."

 

I dont know, if the BEST of the BEST is 26/27% on what they are grading...and the guy you badmouth is 2nd/3rd and just a tick below.....harsh to use the excuse that ALL are TERRIBLE.

Are you claiming you are better than this, over 27% (if so how much better), over the last 5 or 6 drafts from a mock to reality standpoint?

Seems a lot to do about nothing...its a mock, and Kiper is right up there on trying to be as accurate as the next guy is trying. Nothing to rip him for.

 

I would probably lean towards Thomas myself, but the argument for McClain is that he's a "special" player that will have more impact than a typical ILB. I don't rate him that highly but I can't say it's factually incorrect. It's really an opinion thing. I have a problem with those who can't understand that some positions have more impact than others b/c that's just willful ignorance, but a difference of opinion on whether a good to very good player is potentially "elite" is a reasonable opinion no matter which side you're on.

 

Good. I would actually hate for them to get Jimmy Clause or Bradford.

 

Well, the thing of it is, Will Allen will be ready for Training Camp, if not earlier, it would make sense to move him to FS and then take McClain to shore up the ILB position.

Two birds with one stone as it were.

 

When the highest accuracy rate is 28%, considering all the inside sources and top-quality scouting and identification of team needs and draft trends these mock experts supposedly possess, yes, their performance is terrible.

The standard "for entertainment purposes only" disclaimer used by media outlets when they pick against the spread should also be applied to their mock drafts.

Do you see me posting a mock draft?

 

I think where people sometimes get confused with mocks is that often they are there to address who the team should pick assuming things break right and the player they most need falls to them and that often it is simply a mixture of the best 32 players on the board and an arrangement of where they should go. they dont account for moves up or down and they dont really account for budget offseason signings that the team may have a different role in mind for and theres simply no way to know that role until its on the field.

You may then ask what the purpose of a mock is and I would say I dont know.

What kiper IS great at isnt mocks, its evaluation of players, plain and simple. he does a pretty good job of it overall.

 

This is about the 3rd or fourth time Ive seen you post it and the more I see it the more it grows on me. however nickel CB then becomes a serious need because Im not comfortable with Nate Jones on say Julian Edelman etc.

 

Julian Edelman is looking like a matchup problem regardless.
I personally like Nate Jones, and I think he does a TERRIFIC job with what he has.... In fact, I like the idea of him playing Nickelback much more than I like the idea of Will Allen playing FS. Thats not a good thing IMO.

Back on Edelman, chances are pretty good our Nickle wont be lined up on him for least one game next year..... Wesley Wanker is gonna miss some serious time....AND, are you ready for this........ I have a funny feeling Moss might not even be in NE next year....... :leaving2:

BTW: I saw a spreadsheet on Cap hits salary wise next year for NE. Anybody else believe Moss is significantly higher than anybody else, including Tammy Brady?.. Its true :up:

 

Jones lacks long speed and if he misses an initial jam hes dead. As a 4th CB hes ok and hes a very good blitzer.

A lot of CB's make the FS conversion, Eugene Wilson and Carnell Lake some of the more successful ones in recent memory. Will Allen probably could make the conversion though Im not sure its in our plans. Just that I think Padre's suggestion is a valid idea.

 

That also provides another FS option depending on what they're expecting out of Clemons.

If that was the team's plan for Allen then the draft plan might be to hope for Bryant (1st rd) and Spikes (2nd rd) but have McClain as the consolation prize.

 

There is that name though B14...Jason Allen...quitely he had a really good season as the dime Cb, he has the tools for the Nickel.

Or W Allen could play nickel and Clemmons could play Safety in those situations, Will Allen if healthy gives us alot of flexibility and...he's paid for, no signing bonus or draft pick to fill that role.

To me it makes sense, Vontae and Smith starting Cb's Will Allen safety, that would allow for a tremendous amount of coverage flexibility, he could play S, Cb, or nickel back, and he was our most effective Cb blitzer for years.

 

McClain would be a dream come true

 

I quite prefer no pockets on my shirts ;) and Elvis is not nearly as good as his reputation imo , especially the further away from the draft it is.

 

You are on a roll tonight padre I can't help but agree on the Will Allen move to safety
It make sense really
good range
we know he is probably penciled in as nickel corner
I would love to see Allen as a FS

 

Jason Allen is just interesting to me, not sure where he fits in the big picture, or if he fits in the big picture, but as a role player who has made huge strides.

Not saying we let Nate Jones walk and bump JA into the secondary rotation, but it would not surprise me if it happened.

 

Eh, I'm not sure I buy the notion that Will Allen tackles well enough to be a FS. Jason Allen, maybe, but he's probably so cross-wired from all that moves that one more might just cause him to explode.

I'd rather take a stab at a Morgan Burnett, Nate Allen, or Larry Asante in the draft.