thats really cool and must see tv, hopefully the nfl picks up on it.

their both gifted football players, both have great hands, and when you add the technology that gloves bring to the table, one handed catches are not that hard to make anymore..

for as great as odell is, I had him rated higher than juice coming out of college, and said he would be a star, it still amazes me that when I was studying both players and going on lsu forums, the majority would take juice over Odell if they had to choose....amazing right...what some consider an elite receiver already, our boy juice won the vote...and it wasn't close.

 

my prediction is that if lazor uses landry outside of the slot position he will end up being our best receiver and a perennial pro bowl one at that. I dont think he's scratched the surface of what he can do

 

I like Landry a lot, but at the same time I try not to get too high on Landry because he's definitely not a carry-the-team kind of receiver. Landry is great but he's not Beckham by any stretch. We all know that. He's going to catch a lot of balls being that he's in the slot so he's an integral part of the offense nonetheless. The upside is that he flashed some real attitude and quickness as a rookie.

He's going to have a high completion rate because, being in the slot, those are mostly short passes to him in open space, but he has to be complemented by other legitimate WRs on the outside for that to be useful. I see the 1,000 yard mark as being his ceiling considering he's a slot receiver that lacks big-play speed and whose value is mostly derived of having good hands and being quick.

If Parker is the type of guy that can dominate outside and demand double coverage, Landry will become more valuable. Same thing for Stills. If he can open things up down the field, Landry could conceivably work out of the slot on either side making the offense even more dynamic.

Landry is a valuable piece, but the Dolphins still need the outside WRs to step up and be big-time threats and that also means Tannehill has to do great work pushing the ball out to those guys.

It'll be exciting to see how well it all falls into place this year. This could be a really interesting group to watch. The fact that Jennings is here along with Cameron at TE is just plain killer for depth and game-planning.

 

I think you may be underrating the player..I think we may of got a first round talent and our emotional leader all in one small package.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HtPL6XxEsw

when you see these type of reactions from players then it should tell us a few things about his value to the team and the respect for him as a player..

like I said before, when I asked LSU fans that watched both up close for a coupe years who they would rather have, they chose Jarvis..they should have no bias to either one..

theres no question there are size and speed limitations but trying to account for the rest and its impact on the game and team is what is facinating when it comes to this player..

 

Lsu forum fan.

 

not making stuff up..

 

I'm definitely not underrating the player.

Emotions are great and I hope he is motivated but they don't make you bigger or faster and that determines 95% of who you are, lol.

And for what it's worth, Landry is not really a leader as much as he's a highly-emotional youngster.

I don't really see his attitude rubbing off on other players. That would indicate he's in a position of leadership.

What I see is a young kid who plays the game with a smile on his face and with a spirit that not many players have.

That's REALLY GOOD to see but it's not leadership.

No team is looking for it's small-frame slot WRs to be leaders anyway. You need your coaches, QBs, outside WRs and physical RBs to be those kinds of things.

 

''Jarvis landry pushes me to be the best player I can become, I cherish him as my brother', he's going to be the best receiver ever to come out of that program'

OBJ.

 

That's what I'm hoping for too. Let's experiment with him in the preseason and line him up outside. I think he'll surprise people on how effective he can be there.

 

Inspiration and energy do not equal leadership.

We're clearly talking about two different things.

 

That could be true. I never really connected the two ideas to be honest. I never really got the idea that Wallace got on well with anyone or was motivated in a positive way by anyone. I would love to know that were true. He mostly ran away from his fellow teammates when he scored so I figured he generally saw himself as a lone wolf.

Right now, I expect Landry to come out and be the same guy he was last year and to prove that he can be a difference-maker and a match-up problem working out of the slot. I'm not all that interested in seeing him run routes from the outside. He's doesn't have the frame, the strength, nor the leaping ability to win those match-ups.

The second he goes outside is the second you've lost what advantage you had. We have Parker, Stills and Jennings to do that work for a reason.

My real worry with Landry is that he tapers off the way Bess did. REALLY popular his first couple seasons and then the other shoe fell. I don't think that will happen but he is a slot receiver nonetheless who's physical limitations will dictate where he wins at the NFL level.


It's not a question of heart...he's has that in spades...but there are match-ups that he won't be able to win as well if you put him in the wrong place. He needs to operate in space.

 

what I'm hearing from the majority is that, Odell will make some mistakes here and there and jarvis will not...the fight in him is worth points..

 

I think your research on the player is lacking..

 

You ever watch the guy at LSU? Tapering off isnt in his vocabulary. He'll only get better. I believe he spent the offseason trying to improve his burst. If true that means expect him to get more seperation this year

 

he has all three qualities...Jarvis landry is a leader.

 

he leads by more than example, not quiet by any stretch, goes above and beyond to help his teammates.

 

You could say that about any rookie who played well. Of course no one wants to even imagine that he'd be anything other than a 10-year star, but he's not in college anymore.

This is the NFL where his size and lack of speed will dictate his value and his placement within the offense.

I know this sucks to hear...but some things are not just about how hard you try. ;)

 

So how are you defining leadership and who be a good example of a wr that displays those qualities?


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He's a good player. Miami needs more of those.

If you have a bunch of Brandon Gibsons and Brian Hartlines sitting around watching some new kid come in and work his *** off...it doesn't make any difference.

Yeah, it's great to raise a beer to the thought of good leadership but it's equally important to have talent that can learn from that.

Thankfully, Miami has gotten younger players who will all work together moving forward: Parker, Stills, James, Ajayi, Miller, Sims, etc.

 

I will agree that the more he goes away from the slot and farther away from the los his athleticism will get a bit swallowed up, but I'm not sure we can put his game into context at this point, he's superseded his draft status.

 

Wouldn't know unless I knew more about the interplay and exchange between the guys on the team. I'd have to work for the Dolphins or attended the meetings and practices to even get a fair glimpse of that.

I don't think "leadership" is really something fans are all that good at judging from their seats.

We'd love to believe we know, but we're really making a lot of WAGs. ;)

 

I think Jarvis has a michael Irvin quality to him when it comes to pre game, practice and in game leadership.

 

disagree, you can tell a lot about a players leadership and impact on his teammates when following closely and having an understanding of what leadership is.

 

Hope no one gets hurt.
Anytime I hear about these kind of stunts it reminds me of Robert Edwards or maybe a recent kickball game for example.

 

WRs are pretty good these days. Look around the league and you'll see that basically every team has at least 1 guy who's superseded his draft status and many of them are superstars.

The difference is in how the guys operate together...how many of them do you have? That's why I say that Landry's value is going to depend on Parker, Stills and others.

If you're only winning 8 games, it doesn't matter if your slot guy is Landry. Hell, look back to when Miami had Welker...same story. Talent is meaningless if you can't turn that into wins and 8-8 isn't very good.

So while Landry is good, the team needs to use him WHILE having guys on the outside do their thing. Last year Wallace did some things well and Hartline didn't get open very much. That's not okay. I like Landry, but that's not okay.

That's my point about Landry not being the type of guy that can carry a team.

One thing about slot receivers you notice quickly is that they don't take long to emerge as security blankets and they don't get all that much better. Whatever Landry adds to his game physically is going to be marginal. He's already a really shifty player with good burst. He's not going to magically grow 4", put on 25 lbs of muscle and turn into some un-coverable player over night. Let's be real. I'm happy with Landry continuing with the attitude he has and getting slightly better with the next few years. The last thing I'm going to try to do is raise up the expectations to some place he'll never be able to physically reach.

That wouldn't be fair to him as a player if I did that.

But unreasonable expectations are what this time of year seems to be about, lol! :)

 

We do need to try something, because his 9.0 yards per catch was just about last in the NFL in 2014 (including backs and TEs). Obviously this explains his efficiency, but yikes that number is not good. For reference, Beckham averaged over five yards more per catch at 14.3, which is very good considering his usage and role.

 

there are exceptions to the size/ speed rules for every position. I generally seek to follow those rules too but in the case of Landry I see someone who can do more than is expected. the wr position is full of great receivers who were slower and shorter than the ideal. if you are a 4.5 receiver you can compensate by running great routes and having great breaks which is why him working on his burst all offseason could really pay off. one it will get him out of his stance quicker when the ball is snapped and two should give him some seperation when he cuts

 

Not a receiver, but as a pass catcher I loved me some Byars. Buckeye homer here. :up:

 

If you want to play that game, then yes, what I said before should have read "it's not reasonable to think you know when you really can't." I was disagree with someone who said he was definitively a leader so rather than contesting with 'no he's not' I should have argued "we don't know."

You're correct about that.

Jarvis Landry could be a leader but I would think that players would be around him all the time and that he's be telling other players what to do. I haven't see any evidence to support that other players are going to him for direction.

Leader is a term that describes those that give direction. Is Jarvis Landry telling other people what to do? I can't say definitively that he isn't but I don't think the Dolphins had their rookie slot WR giving directions last year.

This year maybe he'll give some direction to Parker...I'm not there in Davie...I can't say.


But, my point about confusing "leadership" with "inspiration and energy" is quite valid. I don't know why fans want to crown every player a leader.

They do elect Captains, right?

 

i believe he was captain of the lsu team. once a leader always a leader

 

And after 1 year you're saying he's the exception to the rule?

Well...maybe...but are we already there?