The truth is from any draft getting one pro bowl type player would be considered a huge success. Most players are failure and depth.

It's silly for us to be such homers we expect to hit every pick. The most likely result, regardless of who we drafted, is failure of the player. Having more picks doesnt change that fact much.

Consider a draft may only have a certain number of future starters to begin with and you only hold a tiny number of picks.

If Tua works out I'll be slightly shocked, but no-one will care who else we drafted. Likewise, if everyone else is decent but Tua fails the entire draft will be a failure.

I actually dont think Burrow or Herbert have much better odds so I'm getting over it. I honestly just believe maybe this draft didnt have a starting quality QB in it period.

 

I didn't like any QBs this year either, personally. I would have been OK with punting for 2021, but will support Tua 100% and hope for the best every time he touches the field (which really shouldn't be until 2021 anyway, right?). I would have been OK with a Fromm or somebody in later rounds, developmental type with a ton of intangibles, but I didn't consider anybody top 5 (thanks to the hip injury), in the way I look at QBs. I believe both Burrow and Herbert will never make the long haul. Not saying it's fact, nobody knows at this point, just my gut.

As for the rest of the picks, I was really hoping for Swift, but I understand what Grier/Flo did, and I'm with it. The organization is obviously all-in on Flores, and I think that's great. Give the man the latitude and room to do his thing, I believe he earned it last year, going 5-4 over the last half of the season with that AMAZING win at Fuxborough. If he's going for a no-name, whole unit type of defense, I couldn't be happier, I absolutely hate hinging your whole unit on one guy...not sustainable, generally. Also very happy to see them addressing the OL with a few high(er) picks. Plenty of picks remain that they'll use for their "team" vision.

It's all about Flores...everything we will get from a success perspective over the next several years, starts and ends with him. He's my coach, and I 100% got his back. Sure, we still have holes, all teams do, but strangely enough, I have ZERO worries about this team moving forward. Haven't been able to say that in a VERY long time.

 

Good stuff man. :knucks:

 

Who is mad at what picks out of curiosity?

I am disappointed in the Davis pick, mainly because he is an underachiever and don't see that changing once he gets a paycheck, but I'll never be mad at adding depth in the trenches.

 

I'd say go read through the "official" thread but it's mostly a waste. Suffice to say that a lot of people moaning about Tua didn't stop there.

 

In 2016 the Dolphins had a starting offensive line of Branden Albert, Laremy Tunsil, Mike Pouncey, Jermon Bushrod, and Ja’Wuan James.

All of those players were first-round picks and/or former Pro-Bowlers.

An investment of lots of resources in the line doesn’t guarantee anything.

 

Yes, while true, not investing any resources gets us the same ole, same ole.

 

Great post man...

 

I would rather go with later-round picks who are intelligent and develop them into a cohesive unit, a la the Patriots.

 

I am okay with that next year. I think there is more urgency this year, especially now that we got Tua.

 

The thing is, some of these linemen obviously won't develop...but that's why you have to keep picking them. Folks look at other teams and see their guards/tackles were drafted in the later rounds, but it's not like they just took that one person and he turned into a stud. It's an investment to keep bringing in the big boys but eventually you'll hit and have a solid line for a long time.

 

Frankly, I’ve liked most of the picks. The only ones that made a little uneasy were the Bama DT and Texas Safety (too lazy to look up their names). I’m just glad there’s finally an emphasis on the O-Line.

 

I didn't like Tua pick at all. I wanted Herbert. That many injuries in college is a no for me but I like the rest of the picks. They seem well thought out. If Tua can stay healthy this will be a very successful draft.

 

You realize that Herbert's injury history includes a broken femur and collar bone, right? And Herbert missed more games due to injury in college than Tua, right?

 

Thanks. Not that it matters now, but I did not know that. Tua's our guy, and I am on board 100%!

 

Our best OL next year could easily become Robert Hunt. Physical Monster. Maybe the best Run blocker in this draft.

 

Generally speaking a broken femur and/or collar bone are not as serious of an injury as a dislocated and fractured hip socket.

Joint injuries like tua's can include damage to cartilage, ligaments, nerves and tendons as well as bone. Wheres bone injuries like Herbert's dont and will generally heel up faster and with less complications long term.

I didn't want us taking Herbert either, but to argue that somehow Herbert's injury history is the same or worse than Tua's is wrong.

 

and by week 3 4 of them were injured......

 

Wrong

Before you look even more stupid, I'm a P.A. I've worked in general radiology, interventional radiology, and interventional cardiology. Before that I was a paramedic.

A person can die from a femur fracture just from blood loss even if there are no other injuries. A broken femur can include nerve and blood vessel damage the same way a dislocated hip can and that can lead to death, amputation, and/or permanent ambulatory issues. Neither Tua or Herbert had those complications. However, Herbert was 16 years old when he fractured his femur. Studies show that boys who fracture their femur have a 160% increased chance of suffering another lower extremity injury that requires hospitalization. Herbert, by all accounts, is at a greater risk of re-injury than Tua.

A clavicle injury can, and often does, include soft tissue injuries that include the AC joint, rotator cuff, and/or labrum.

 

Dont worry I have no fear of looking stupid. Emphasis on the word generally, I said "generally" speaking bone injuries like colar and femur breaks dont include as many complications as a hip joint fracture and dislocation. You can be pretty sure that tua sufferred at least some cartilage and/or ligament damage as a result of his injury. Cartilage and ligaments dont heal up as easily as bone damage.

Herbert's injury history never came up as a serious concern during the pre draft process for a good reason, Tua's certainly did. You trying to equate the two is wrong.

 

Pats draft OL early fairly often Guy.

 

I can tell you don't fear looking stupid. You should.

My post was in reply to someone who was concerned about Tua and yet wanted Herbert mainly due to him thinking that Tua was an injury risk. Herbert has a higher chance of re-injury.

Then here you come talking about possible complications from a hip dislocation/fracture, that Tua didn't suffer from, and trying to downplay femur fractures. As if one is worse than the other. In reality, and since neither Tua or Herbert suffered nerve, vessel, etc., complications, there injuries are quit similar in severity. Except the little part about Herbert having a 160% increased chance of having another lower extremity injury that may require hospitalization.

If you knew much about anything you'd just learn your place. Instead, you repeatedly create the dumbest posts around. lol

 

DOLFANS - the issue is settled. Tua is our guy. Let's get behind him and keep a positive vibe as we welcome all our Rookies to Miami. Don't let your disappointment over this pick or that pick ruin what will be a fantastic turnaround in Miami.

 

Learn my place? LOL, my place is wherever the **** I want it to be.

Have you looked up the chance of re-injury from hip dislocations and fractures to compare to your re-injury figure for femur fractures?

How exactly do you know that Tua didn't suffer any cartilage or ligament damage?

With a dislocated and fractured hip socket I'd be willing to bet you that he suffered at least some type of cartilage and/or ligament damage, and those things don't just heal up as well as bone does.

 

Yes, your place. Behind me in nearly everything.

Yep. 2% chance of another dislocation.

Tua most certainly suffered soft tissue injury. As soon as the femur head ripped from the acetabulum he suffered soft tissue damage. Good guess there, Einstein.....lol....He had no NERVE OR VESSEL complications. Can't you read? The soft tissue injuries he suffered will most likely lead to some form of arthritis when he's retired. It's most likely not going to be an issue during his playing days.

And stop with the "heal up as well" mantra. You sound like a 3rd grader trying to explain how the Sun works. lmao

Will the soft tissue injuries that Tua suffered cause him any issues while playing? Most likely no....

 

Danny boy, I guarantee you if we were face to face you wouldn't say disrespectful **** like that, and trust me if you did you would immediately regret it. Takes no courage to disrespect someone behind a keyboard.

As for your stats, you are not comparing apples to apples, you are comparing chance of any type of lower body re-injury in young adults who had femur fractures, against the chance of specific re-injury of just the hip joint among all hip surgery patients regardless of age.

Those are completely mismatched patient populations and endpoint parameters.

Like most of the stats you bring up you cannot analyze them in isolation without context and think that you can draw a definitive and reliable conclusion from it.

 

Lets put this to bed mods when threats are tossed around it's no longer funny . We are all rooting for the same team?

 

Lmao...Again, you're pretty much wrong about everything, squirt.

You don't even understand what you're trying to argue. Let's see if I can help you.

Before you decided to poke your irrelevant and incorrect opinions into a discussion you were no part of, another poster said that he feared that Tua would get injured based off of his past injury history. I informed him that Herbert has suffered injuries, also. You jumped in claiming that a femur fracture and clavicle fracture isn't as serious as a hip dislocation and fracture. In reality, that's just not true. A femur fracture can be more serious than a hip dislocation and fracture. I tried, in the simplest way I know how, to explain that to you. Yet, in your ignorance, you still didn't comprehend it. And instead, kept spouting off about bone repairs compared to soft tissue repairs. Then you made a extremely stupid comment about how you'd "bet that Tua suffered a soft tissue injury". Of course you don't realize what you're talking about so I informed you that he most certainly did. A hip dislocation and acetabulum fracture doesn't happen without soft tissue injury. However, when it comes to comparing Tua's injury to Herbert's injury, we can most certainly ascertain that Tua suffered no nerve or blood vessel complications. The same can be said about Herbert. However, Tua's chances of re dislocating his hip is about 2% while Herbert's chances of re-injurying a lower extremity is about 160% higher than someone who has never fractured their femur.

Now, you seem very insecure, and threats to me make me laugh, but if you want to continue this conversation, let's go to PM so others don't have to suffer through anymore of your stupid posts. Lol

 

Tua is still recovering from his biggest injury. Herbert just came off of a strong solid year.

 

Davis will work hard....he cant find the football to save his life but by all accounts he is a hard worker and good kid....just don't want him to get labeled before he hits town, but yes he is an underachiever but not from lack of effort or character......at least that is the word...

 

Exactly. Get rid of this clown.

 

Tua has been cleared to resume normal football activity. If needed, he could start practicing from day one.

 

Yeah, I know, d and I'm trying to take sides here, but I think with a guy who is just coming off of a major injury, there's certainly more reason for concern than some guy who was injured awhile back and just came off a strong year. Such as in court, if you have enough money, you can find a professional, a Dr to testify to just about anything you want. I'm not saying these Drs are neccessarily lying, but I think, at this point, there is certainly more reason to be a bit more concerned about Tua's injury than Herbert's past injuries. That's why there are so many sports professionals who have the same concerns and endlessly expressed them before, during and after the draft.

 

Your reinjury comparisons as I said are completely misleading. You are comparing apples to oranges, you just conveniently decided to ignore that point.

I really dont give a crap if you agree with me or not Dan, never have.

You are just a homer who refuses to accept criticism.

 

It's definitely a concern because Tua will be playing a violent sport and who wants to pay a guy millions or use a #5 pick on someone who gets injured.

However, Tua's chances of re-injury are slight. And that's based on science. Science also shows us that when a child (specifically a male child) breaks a femur, they have a 160% increase in chance to injure a lower extremity that they need to be hospitalized.

Now, stupid people, like someone here, think that's comparing apples to oranges. It's not comparing anything. It's stating facts from research.

Now, I think Herbert will be fine. As I believe Tua will be fine. Neither have shown any complications from their respective injuries. However, if someone is concerned about Tua due to injuries they should also be just as concerned about Herbert's injuries. And that's not an opinion...that's fact. And it's provable by research.

 

You are using completely different re-injury studies with different population demographics and endpoint parameters to compare re-injury risk. You are comparing apples to oranges. That is actually a fact.

You have not "proven" crap.