Let's Make an Oath as Fans...No More Excuses

Oh I do agree that this year the "reasons" stop and execution has to start. Sometimes plays break down and good teams make something out of it. We need to start making something from nothing or we are dead in the water

There's really no reason to turn it into a black or white issue.If the team does not improve to an acceptable degree, the coaching staff will get fired and with due cause. Writing the whole thing off as a failure is pretty overly simplistic.

Even if you believe Tony Sparano and Co. are incapable of getting the team over the hump, they will have pretty undeniably been quite successful as "cleaners". If they are fired this offseason, they will have left a talented, well-stocked, fundamentally sound roster. Whomever theoretically inherits them, regardless of scheme or philosophy, will not have to engage in big rebuilding process or turnover. If you didn't think that this was the most probable outcome of hiring Bill Parcells, then you were fooling yourself. This is essentially what he has done his entire career, and what he will get into the Hall of Fame for as much as he will his tenure with the Giants.

All I know is last night what I was watching, it couldn't be more clear that one of those teams was a playoff team and the other wasn't. Take that however you will.

"ckparrothead wrote:

All I know is last night what I was watching, it couldn't be more clear that one of those teams was a playoff team and the other wasn't. Take that however you will.

As a pretty anti-intellectual, knee-jerk reaction, then? I'm not sure how else you can take it.

The game that the Dolphins starting unit vs. the Falcons starting unit played last night was a 7-0 game. Taking it as the Dolphins getting steam-rolled, or however you want to do it is editorializing, and to an inappropriate degree.

After 1 preseason game coming out of a completely locked out offseason you have determined the fate of 2 teams, one of which was sitting 3 projected offensive starters including probably the best LT in the game and one being the top WR target. I will take that however I will..

Geez, next he'll be asking us to sign a contract for the prom...

"aesop wrote:

After 1 preseason game coming out of a completely locked out offseason you have determined the fate of 2 teams, one of which was sitting 3 projected offensive starters including probably the best LT in the game and one being the top WR target. I will take that however I will..

Want to bet on it?

"ckparrothead wrote:

Want to bet on it?

After I see a whole half out of what will be our starting offense, maybe.

I have to agree with the OP.... this is the 4th season with this regime... fans expect Play Off type performance...

We also can see, that Ryan, had 1 of 5 passes completed and a 45 QBR... against the Starting D backfield...

This team will get over the hump once the Defense can protect against the pass... and I like what I saw from SS and VD last night against a talented Atlanta QB-WR corps... even though it was 5 passes attempted...

Our Offense will have a difficulty early part of the season, with the new scheme and packages, and it will be the Defense, IMHO, that will spearhead the turn around...

"Disgustipate wrote:

There's really no reason to turn it into a black or white issue.If the team does not improve to an acceptable degree, the coaching staff will get fired and with due cause. Writing the whole thing off as a failure is pretty overly simplistic.

Even if you believe Tony Sparano and Co. are incapable of getting the team over the hump, they will have pretty undeniably been quite successful as "cleaners". If they are fired this offseason, they will have left a talented, well-stocked, fundamentally sound roster. Whomever theoretically inherits them, regardless of scheme or philosophy, will not have to engage in big rebuilding process or turnover. If you didn't think that this was the most probable outcome of hiring Bill Parcells, then you were fooling yourself. This is essentially what he has done his entire career, and what he will get into the Hall of Fame for as much as he will his tenure with the Giants.

I'm not writing the whole thing off as a failure, and I'll agree with you that this regime has done some positive things thus far irrespective of what happens this year. I don't know about you though, I'm not content with just a "clean-up" job. The time has come for them to get us to the playoffs, or at least a winning record, or pound salt.

"aesop wrote:

After I see a whole half out of what will be our starting offense, maybe.

Why not right now? You claimed I can't possibly know after just seeing the one game. The odds are with you.

"KingMotion wrote:

Let's also take an oath that we will make use of:

http://www.thephins.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?86-SoapBox-Rants-forum

As that's what it's there for.

I know I labeled my post as a "rant", but I don't think what I said constitutes as needing to go to that forum. If the mods disagree they are welcome to move it.

What I think that forum is there for is for me and others to post knee jerk reactions in after I've had 12 beers and just watched the Dolphins lose a game. That's just my own personal opinion though, and maybe the mods had other intentions.

I put some thought and a little bit of time into the post, hence, I posted here.

"ckparrothead wrote:

All I know is last night what I was watching, it couldn't be more clear that one of those teams was a playoff team and the other wasn't. Take that however you will.

From watching just what the starters did out there, I thought the same thing. But I'll reserve judgement a little longer until I see what they do with the Beast and Long on the field.

"ckparrothead wrote:

Why not right now? You claimed I can't possibly know after just seeing the one game. The odds are with you.

How exactly would the odds be with me betting on a team that went 7-9 last season against a team that went 13-3? What I am saying is we are yet to see what the additions to our offense and a full year of Marshall and Henne together will do. It's pretty arrogant to think after a couple of series together without 3 starters in the 1st preseason game you already know how the offense will be a few weeks from now. Our defense was **** before Nolan came in. It jumped up into the top 10 squads.

I'm not saying they don't have the potential to be a piece of **** again, I'm saying it's way to early to write them off for this season. Saying "You want to bet?" is a stupid argument.

"MonstBlitz wrote:

We have a regime in it's 4th year. A 4th year head coach and a 4th year GM. We have a 4 year QB entering his second year as a starter. 3rd if you count the almost full season he played in 09. We have surrounded them with talented players. The roster has been upgraded, the trenches have been built.

If they can't get it done this year, they have failed. All of them. GM, coaches, QB, and the rest of the team they have assembled.

I agree with just about everything, but our offensive line is far from built. We currently have a solid LT and then what? A rookie C who I hope pans out. A solid RT, now RG?, that could be fading, and then avg. Our line got man handled by ATL's ones. Outside of the #1 pick in the draft we have swung and missed with each OL pick. Pouncey to be determined, although he will most likely pan out. Again though, he was another 1st rounder, and when it comes to 1st rd lineman they usually stick around.

This is why I'm all for cleaning house. If your philosophy is to run, then i'd hope after 3 years you'd have at minimum a decent run game. The offense just looks sloppy, and has since Henne took over. And I believe this falls more on Sparano's shoulders than Henne's.

"ckparrothead wrote:

All I know is last night what I was watching, it couldn't be more clear that one of those teams was a playoff team and the other wasn't. Take that however you will.

So...was it the 2nd string Atlanta team? No...wait...it was the 2nd string Miami team. No..wait...Was it the second string Atlanta team when they played the 3rd string Dolphins team>

no...wait....

Can I take this as an irrational, knee-jerk, whiny post?

One preseason game after 1 week of practice due to a lockout with a new OC...yeah...

"ckparrothead wrote:

Why not right now? You claimed I can't possibly know after just seeing the one game. The odds are with you.

I don't think he's trying to predict anything at this point.

What I think he's suggesting is that it's pretty ****ing stupid to predict anything at this point. If he were to "bet" you then he would be just like the pretty ****ing stupid people trying to predict something at this point.

*Edit: I shouldn't have used predict. I should have used "know" or "are certain" instead.

Carry on

"aesop wrote:

How exactly would the odds be with me betting on a team that went 7-9 last season against a team that went 13-3? What I am saying is we are yet to see what the additions to our offense and a full year of Marshall and Henne together will do. It's pretty arrogant to think after a couple of series together without 3 starters in the 1st preseason game you already know how the offense will be a few weeks from now. Our defense was **** before Nolan came in. It jumped up into the top 10 squads.

I'm not saying they don't have the potential to be a piece of **** again, I'm saying it's way to early to write them off for this season. Saying "You want to bet?" is a stupid argument.

So you think I'm wrong, but you're not willing to put your money where your mouth is.

"MarinePhinFan wrote:

I don't think he's trying to predict anything at this point.

What I think he's suggesting is that it's pretty ****ing stupid to predict anything at this point. If he were to "bet" you then he would be just like the pretty ****ing stupid people trying to predict something at this point.

OK then. So we've got another assessment saying it's unwise for me to offer this bet.

And yet nobody wants to take it.

Hmmm....

Let me put it this way.

Even if the Dolphins had come out and Henne threw 10 TD's, DT ran for 300 yards and the defense held the Falcons to 50 yards total...I still think only a stupid person would suggest that this was a "playoff team". And the opposite is also true.

I jus hope we start winning so I can enjoy reading and talking on this board again...

"Disciple wrote:

I agree with just about everything, but our offensive line is far from built. We currently have a solid LT and then what? A rookie C who I hope pans out. A solid RT, now RG?, that could be fading, and then avg. Our line got man handled by ATL's ones. Outside of the #1 pick in the draft we have swung and missed with each OL pick. Pouncey to be determined, although he will most likely pan out. Again though, he was another 1st rounder, and when it comes to 1st rd lineman they usually stick around.

This is why I'm all for cleaning house. If your philosophy is to run, then i'd hope after 3 years you'd have at minimum a decent run game. The offense just looks sloppy, and has since Henne took over. And I believe this falls more on Sparano's shoulders than Henne's.

And I agree with most of what YOU said, until the last part. Sparano can CALL the plays, although he doesnt in most cases, but Henne decides where to throw the ball and WHO to throw it to. He decides to throw it into dbl and triple coverage, NOT Sparano. Coaches can only do so much, and then the ball is SNAPPED.

I wanted to TRY not to post until after next game, but as the OP stated.......NO MORE EXCUSES. If you are a Henne supporter, he apparently does no wrong. Its NEVER his fault. If you are NOT a supporter, he does no wrong, but excuses are excuses. The FACTS ARE..........He threw 2 ints. and 1 TD. THAT........is BACKWARDS....To put it mildly.

My only problem, or my MAIN problem with Ireland, is his lack of upgrading the QB position, unless they let MOORE play. I am not saying he is an upgrade, but it would be an ATTEMPT at an upgrade. He can find talent, in most cases. I am ok with the drafts. But the lack of drafting a QB or trading for one, is now holding us back. There was NO REASON for not drafting Mallet. NONE. ........except for being scared to make a mistake.

OK....I am done with this.........again.

"ckparrothead wrote:

So you think I'm wrong, but you're not willing to put your money where your mouth is.

I think it's inconclusive at this point as to how our offense will turn out. Will the Falcons be good? Obviously.

You want me to bet hypothetical money that badly? You have no argument.

ck, bringing the anti-homer goods, par the course