Let's Make an Oath as Fans...No More Excuses

"Wagon Circler wrote:

Dolphins, top 5 pick in 2012. They will be fighting with the likes of Cin and SF for the highest pick.

This must mean the Bills are out of the league (by then) and playing in the NFL Europe.

"Wagon Circler wrote:

Nfl Europe hasn't existed for like four seasons now lol

You'll be enjoying the LA Bills very soon.

Top 5 might be a little much, but when Henne's the QB anything is possible.

"Wagon Circler wrote:

Nfl Europe hasn't existed for like four seasons now lol

...exactly.

"fin13 wrote:

You'll be enjoying the LA Bills very soon.

Ugh. They'd better change the name of the club if they do move to Los Angeles.

The L.A. Bills? What's their logo gonna be, a window envelope with a bulk-rate stamp?

"CirclingWagons wrote:

Been hearing the LA Bills talk for years. Jacksonville will be the first to move. Crap attendance, and nobody cares. I've heard rumors about San Diego moving north to LA too

There are a couple of cities that have no business whatsoever having an NFL team, and Jacksonville is one.

Don't the Chargers have a shiny (relatively) new stadium? That would be an Al Davis move right there.

Well, Thats tough to call. Some may see it as an excuse, but some may see it as reality. I mean Fasano not being able to hang onto a ball if his life depended on it... its an excuse for "bad qb play", but when it comes to evaluation of a TE/WR, then its inexcusable. There's always a fine line, and room for debate IMO.

Overall though, I get your point. However, my opinion is, no more excuses for the regime and the coaching staff. Players, at times when warranted, YES. The coaches however... no. Time's up. They've had their run, if it doesn't improve, than its over for them IMO.

"NaboCane wrote:

There are a couple of cities that have no business whatsoever having an NFL team, and Jacksonville is one.

Don't the Chargers have a shiny (relatively) new stadium? That would be an Al Davis move right there.

Not sure about the Chargers stadium, but yeah...that would be quintessential AD move lol

The Dolphins have basically been a non factor in the NFL for the last decade. So many fans have learned over time that is easier to blame, the ref's, bad luck, play calling by the offensive coordinator, or various other excuses for how bad the Dolphins have been over the past decade. These same fans actually believe that Henne is a starting caliber QB in the NFL. They blamed Henning for the fact that Henne is so bad as an NFL QB. They also believe that bringing in an offensive coordinator who directed an offense in Cleveland which was inferior to the Dolphins last year, is somehow an upgrade and will turn around Henne's career.

While I would love to see the Dolphins prove me wrong and actually have a winning season. I happen to think that Sparano and Ireland are in over their heads as an NFL head coach and GM. In looking at their schedule this coming season, I just don't see the Dolphins winning more than four or five games. The only long term hope for the Dolphins is that the owner will finally decide after this season that it is time to get rid of Sparano and Ireland and hire a GM and a head coach who actually knows how to build a winning organization.

There are no more excuses for the play of the Dolphins and while, hope may spring eternal, the fact is that this will be another long year for Dolphin fans and another year with no real chance of making the playoffs. Next year at this time I expect that we will all be discussing the future under a new head coach and GM. I also believe that most of the discussions will have to do with the new QB the Dolphins selected in the first round of the 2012 draft, after the new coach and GM finally end the Henne era and cut or trade him for a seventh round draft pick.

Let's make an oath as fans...to not let threads turn into pissing matches vs Bills fans.

Mods. Don't we have a forum for trash talk? Can't we get this trolling out of the mains?

I don't troll.

"JMHPhin wrote:

Thats the thing, we have good ol days. What the hell keeps Dill fans holding on, I mean seriously, hope only last so long

What keeps them hangin on is the fact that they might have something to cheer about when their Billygoats become the LABillygoats

"MonstBlitz wrote:

Alright guys, here are the facts as they stand...

We have a regime in it's 4th year. A 4th year head coach and a 4th year GM. We have a 4 year QB entering his second year as a starter. 3rd if you count the almost full season he played in 09. We have surrounded them with talented players. The roster has been upgraded, the trenches have been built.

If they can't get it done this year, they have failed. All of them. GM, coaches, QB, and the rest of the team they have assembled.

This is not a doom and gloom thread. I'm not trying to suggest this team shouldn't be supported through thick and thin.

But if they fail, NO MORE EXCUSES!!

No more "the receiver ran the wrong route."

No more "we play in a tough division" or "we played a tough schedule".

No more "We were a 1-15 team, it takes time."

No more "We were unlucky."

No more stats to try and demonstrate how a 7-9 team is as good as a an 11-5 team. No more stats period to make excuses for poor play!

Sure let's analyze the hell out of why we lost or why we won, why so and so played well or played poorly. But no more excuses for poor play! WINS and LOSSES is all we should concern ourself with in this 4th year. If this regime fails, they are out of time.

Thanks for listening, and I know this thread won't make a lick of difference on anything that happens this year on this board, but I felt like I had to say it anyway.

/rant

I've been posting this message consistently since after the preseason last year:
no more excuses...

If we start out 4-4 0r worse i don;t want hear about the damm good news network crap like we had last year.
Last night was a dissapointment but i will wait until the opening night before passing judgement.Preseason means squat to me.

The 1-15 thing has been a poor excuse since 2010 anyway. The Falcons and Jets won 4 games in 2007, look at them, especially the Falcons.

I can't believe this is their 4th season with this regime! 2008 feels like it was just yesterday. Slow down time.

"MarinePhinFan wrote:

I'm not sure if your post is an indication of how stupid Bills fans are or how bad our education system has become.

Espouse is not a big word to anyone with half a brain who has passed the 7th grade.

Yeah. My ex-espouse would agree with you.

"NaboCane wrote:

Yeah. My ex-espouse would agree with you.

lol

"Ozzy wrote:

No one has to be the first one to say it for it to be funny as hell or very possibly TRUE!!!!

If this indeed happens, I'll be laughing so hard .......

And you will be where?

Here?

"bigbucks24 wrote:

Mods. Don't we have a forum for trash talk? Can't we get this trolling out of the mains?

Yes and I strongly suggest some of members find it or find another board.

"CirclingWagons wrote:

I don't troll.

Youve been so doing so all thread.

"CirclingWagons wrote:

Here?

Not at the rate youre going

"FinNasty wrote:

I'll take the bet. Why not?

What are we betting?

I'll bet that your avatar is going to get me chubbed if I keep staring at it.

"Disciple wrote:

I agree with just about everything, but our offensive line is far from built. We currently have a solid LT and then what? A rookie C who I hope pans out. A solid RT, now RG?, that could be fading, and then avg. Our line got man handled by ATL's ones. Outside of the #1 pick in the draft we have swung and missed with each OL pick. Pouncey to be determined, although he will most likely pan out. Again though, he was another 1st rounder, and when it comes to 1st rd lineman they usually stick around.

This is why I'm all for cleaning house. If your philosophy is to run, then i'd hope after 3 years you'd have at minimum a decent run game. The offense just looks sloppy, and has since Henne took over. And I believe this falls more on Sparano's shoulders than Henne's.

You're right, a better way for me to have phrased it would have been, "they've had 4 years to build the trenches". That's why this year will either be a team and GM and coaching failure or success. You don't get 5 years in this league. At least you shouldn't...

Without making any excuses for The Soprano Family, why should it surprise anyone that the Falcons first-string played better than ours after the long lockout?

Their players on offense and defense have played together for a while: ours were missing key players on both sides of the ball, and some (Davis, Smith) were on opposite sides of the field last year. Offense is still learning a totally new playbook.

The OL we saw last night will certainly NOT be the OL we start the season with.

Having said that, Henne still reminds me of The Girl With The Curl (when she was good, she was very very good, and when she was bad she was horrid...), but I can remember going to the SB with David Woodley, for whom scanning the field and looking off DB's were foreign concepts :lol:

There are areas of concern, but there are some very bright spots as well.

And BTW, it's never a good idea to respond to an ignorant Bills troll on our forum, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

:yes::yes::yes:

Wa gon Circler;1545158 wrote:

Exactly why anyone who thinks the dolphins are head and shoulders over the bills is straight loooooony!

While I am not one of the Dolphin fans who thinks the Dolphins are better at this time than the Bills. I am certainly not a fan of the Bills, Jets, or Patriots. I just happen to be a realistic Dolphin fan who isn't so fanatical that I can't see that the Dolphins,as an organization are not headed in the right direction. I happen to have been a fan of the Dolphins since 1966, their first year in the AFC. I was a season ticket holder for well over 30 years. My wife and I have also traveled to over 25 away games over the years. After last season I had decided that I would not renew my season tickets unless Ross made drastic changes in the organization. This included getting rid of Ireland and Sparano. When these changes were not made, I did not renew my season tickets for the first time in the last 30 plus years. I have received numerous letters and phone calls from the Dolphins wanting to know why I didn't renew the four season tickets I have purchased during these years. I have talked to them on the phone and written responses, expressing my displeasure with the teams play over the last decade.

While I will continue to root for the team this season. I have very low expectations and I suspect that the Bills and the Dolphins will be playing for third place in the AFC East, since neither team can compete with the Jets or Patriots over the course of a 16 week schedule. It would not surprise me if the Bills don't finish higher in the division than the Dolphins because I think they have a far superior QB at this time. As I stated earlier, the best thing about this coming season is that it will eventually lead to the firing of Sparano and Ireland and the permanent replacement of Henne as the QB of the future.

I appreciate your defense of your Bills, and right now I have to agree that both the Dolphins and Bills are about equal in talent. Of course by stating that, all I am admitting is that both teams are near the bottom in the NFL. So neither of us should be proud of our organizations at this point in time. I certainly look forward to the day when the Dolphins are once again a top team in the NFL and instead of being concerned with, if they are better than the Bills or not. The discussion is, how far they can go in the playoffs or can they win the Super Bowl. Unfortunately, this Dolphin team does not appear to merit these type of questions, and being better than the Bills in the AFC East appears to be the best they can hope for this season. Of course, being better than the Bills this season is certainly no sure thing for this Dolphin team.

Dolphins are much more talented than the Bills right now, imo. If Miami had a competent QB I honestly believe they could battle with NYJ for 2nd in the East and a possible WC spot.