Hahaha, had to laugh, I was going to pick one player from each squad and try to avoid a player someone else had mentioned previously. I was going to take Francois. Its all good. I liked what I saw from him in a few games this year and felt he may have gotten lost in the shuffle a bit because BCs other Linebackers get a lot of attention.

I will take

Jasper Brinkley LB 6’2 275 South Carolina


Ray Feinga OL 6’5 331 BYU

 

Its all good bro, you take Francois, it was a toss up between him and Jasper for me anyways.

 

Works for me, Francois is peaking my interest due to the lack of depth at MLB this year and he has the size the front office likes for the position. Made in that thumper mode if you know what I mean.

 

Guys I'm interested in.

Btw when does the practices start?

 

I really like this punter, and he is also a really good field kicker and someone who booms kickoff (unlike Dan Carpenter):

43 Graham Gano K 6’1 197 Florida State

I will scout Gano.....I have heard he could be drafted in the 5th round.

I just heard Ramses Barden, Cal-Poly's WR, is opting for the Senior Bowl over the East-West.

 

I'm interested in Deon Butler for sure.

I don't foresee us taking him, but I want him to succeed. And I think he can.

 

With the way he punts the ball the 5th or 6th round sounds about right for Gano. The bowl game against Wisconsin he was just mad sick, first 3 punts downed inside the 3 yard line.

 

Stinker, Brinkley was the one to watch.:lol:

Assuming the game is in the evening (some of us have jobs ya know..)

Two from the East

Courtney Greene S Rutgers #36
#89. Brandon Mandeville, Te Northeastern

Two from the West

#68 Sunderberg, LongSnapper, California, we've forgotten Denny botching two snaps against the Jets, Sparano hasn't, to be sure.

#53 Phil Hunt Dline Houston.

 

Darn, I'd hoped it was a night game, I won't be home and in front of the TV...err..."scouting device" until almost 6pm...

Scratch me off the list fellas..:sad:

 

!!!!Are they on NFLN? Are they showing replays? Son of!

 

So I missed the first 2 days????

 

Damn are they reshowing Day 1 and DAy 2 anytime soon? For some reason I thought it started after the AFC/NFC championship game.

 

I'll take...

8 Brandon Underwood DB 6’1 190 Cincinnati
27 Don Carey DB 6’1 180 Norfolk State
29 Bradley Fletcher DB 6’2 200 Iowa
33 Dannell Ellerbe LB 6’1 232 Georgia
36 Courtney Greene DB 6’2 215 Rutgers
43 Graham Gano K 6’1 197 Florida State
52 Jasper Brinkley LB 6’2 275 South Carolina
76 Jaimie Thomas OL 6’4 330 Maryland
77 Jamon Meredith OL 6’5 301 South Carolina
78 Ramon Foster OL 6’8 325 Tennessee
89 Brian Mandeville TE 6’7 253 Northeastern
92 Matt Shaughnessy DL 6’6 253 Wisconsin
95 Darryl Richard DL 6’4 290 Georgia Tech

1 Manuel Johnson WR 6’0 183 Oklahoma
2 Ryan Palmer DB 5’10 186 Texas
10 Mike Thomas WR 5’8 195 Arizona
11 Jorvorskie Lane FB 6’0 285 Texas A&M
19 Sammie Stroughter WR 6’0 186 Oregon State
21 Ryan Mouton DB 5’10 180 Hawaii
25 Cary Harris DB 6’0 180 USC
36 Brandon Hughes DB 5’11 178 Oregon State
39 Jason Phillips LB 6’1 234 TCU
57 Fenuki Tupou OL 6’6 322 Oregon
76 Ray Feinga OL 6’5 331 BYU
79 Sebastian Vollmer OL 6’8 315 Houston
81 Jarett Dillard WR 5’11 185 Rice
84 Jared Bronson TE 6’4 260 Central Washington
90 Jarron Gilbert DL 6’6 280 San Jose State
91 Pannel Egboh DL 6’6 270 Stanford

You guys can have the rest. ;)

 

:lol:

 

Holy crap Batman, thats alot of rewinding. :lol:

 

Is Chase Daniel playing the Senior Bowl as well? Kind of surprised that a guy with his pedigree/numbers wouldn't get an invite to the big game.

 

Oh snap son I'm thinking of the senior bowl.

 

1 Darius Passmore WR 6’3 188 Marshall

This dude shouldve been a QB :D

 

Not to highjack the thread or anything but on their forums this guy broke down 25 NFL busts. At first I thought I clicked on a Mock draft but it had me rolling.

He's got some sound analyst but his values on the prospects.

 

Oh boy.

 

Peria Jerry has no pass rush skills? O.K. fine, then who does then. I'd like to see that list right now.

One note, neither Michael Johnson or Orakpo are on that list. :shifty:

 

I saw the saw list, figured it was so much Garbage I did not bother to post. Did you see the response from the moderator of that board just below his post?

 

What should hit home is what he says:

Historically only 1/3 of the first day picks make it. The top 64 will only have 1/3 make it.

Really? T

Lets look at this a little more in depth for about a millisecond.

They've only had that format I believe for 1 YEAR. So he has historical data for one year, which proves nothing other than aberrations are possible, and it certainly doesn't represent a trend or trends of any kind due to the sheer mass of humanity selected. One year as a sample size in this scenario is not enough, regardless of the total number of players selected. He also never says the exact sample size; how many years this was done, and during what era etc. From how he has put it, it would be only last year. If so, then how can you judge if they made it? It has only been one year, how is that possible?

I can show that every team in the league did not only hit on 1/3 of their picks last year. Right now that rate is higher. I have shown some my pet project that I have been working on, and frankly his numbers don't make sense. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but again he never stated the sample size.

Also, typically the success rate is around 40% overall. So numerically speaking, if the success rate is only 1/3, then the rest of the draft must be over 40% success rate to compensate for the abysmal record of the first 64. Say there are 300 players chosen; 64 equates to 21.33% of the total draft choices taken. The other 78.66% of the draft has a higher success rate than the top 64; who are typically the "best" players chosen? That flies in the face of the declining rate of return normally seen as the draft progresses. Somewhere there must be a higher level of success to get that 1/3 rate of the top 64 to the known average of around 40%. So which round does that occur in? Also, I'd like to know the low rate of return in the 5th, 6th and 7th rounds factor into this. Their rate is lower than 1/3, so again my query is where is this higher rate of success located to make up for now 5 out of 7 rounds having less than 40% success rate.

In layman's terms these numbers don't add up.

 

Conu, the top 64 typically contains players who have high "bust" factors, like Qb's or Lb's or Rb's...great athletes but not translatable to the NFL.

Wereas the rest of the draft contain the the ugly grunts who can stick around like Olinemen or DT's?

Qb's and Rb's make up maybe...8% of the top 64, add in Wr (especially Florida or FSU Wr's) and you could find your missing 12% or so.

 

I don't have the time to do this right now in its entirety but let me put it to you this way. I have every team's drafting history for the last five years in front of me.

Cardinals - 0 (10 picks)
Falcons - 1 Jimmy Williams (11 picks)
Baltimore - 1 Dan Cody (9 picks)
Buffalo - 0 (9 picks)
Carolina - 1 Eric Shelton (9 picks)
Chicago - 1 Dan Bazuin (10 picks)

Roughly a 5th of the league = 58 picks, with 4 players not in the league.

= 14.5%.............. thats so far, but it doesn't look good. The next 6 teams would have to double that at minimum to make the number rise.

If I get a bur up my *** I will finish this later on.

 

I'll join in. I'll take.

38 Stryker Sulak DL 6’5 250 Missouri
63 Edwin Williams OL 6’3 315 Maryland
90 Orion Martin DL 6’2 252 Virginia Tech

 

My mistake Conu, I had what you were attempting reversed.

You are looking for the higher percentage of non bust players in later rounds.

The guys who make it, but are chosen later in the draft.

 

Just realized I wont be home to watch the shrine game. I'll see if I can record it.

 

Here's the other thing I was trying to get at. If the number for those 6 teams was 14.5%, do you know what the next 6 teams would have to be like to double the overall percentage (make it 29% overall) for the now, 12 teams?

You think double right? Check it out. Before 4 players out of 58 didn't make it. If double it and made 8 out of the next 58 then you'd have 12 out of 116 that didn't make it. That works out to be 10.34%. The % dropped even with more players busting out. Its the numbers game.

The greater the end number becomes, the exponentionally bigger the number of busts must become. So again if you want to get to 29%, you'd need 33.64 players (over 8 times the 4 for the first 58)to bust out to get exactly 29% worth of busting out players for 116. Now that is not the top 64 players as 116 is a good bit more, but the numbers would still have to behave in the same fashion. 29 more players out of the next 58 selections would have to bust out - 50% of all players selected would be gone.

He's saying that 33% of the top 64 will bust out. Thats 21.12 players for exactly 33% for the 64 players chosen. 12 players away from the total I needed to get 29% for 116 players.

 

Ehh...but Conu, the average NFL career is maybe 3 years or so?

Now what would be really interesting is seeing the percentages of Tuna players that busted, say from the Jets period forward.

Because IIRC, Tuna was really good at using all 7 or more draft choices and creating players out of them...the polar opposite of Pioli/Belicheck, when a guy doesn't make it in NE, they don't make it...period.

 

Thats why I went back five years. It would conceivably give me 2 maybe 3 if I swidge a little.

 

I'll be watchin Big Red...i'll see who stands out but i'll put some focus on T taylor from michigan and alex boone from ohio state.