https://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/2...-doesnt-understand-how-chris-grier-has-a-job/
BTW, they forgot to include Noah Igbinogenhe among Grier's first round busts.
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This part about TUA scares me
You took a player who has been injury-prone his whole career. “Tua can throw crossers, flats, and curls. But if he has to do anything more than that, he can’t. Is Tua going to be a top 15 quarterback in the league? If the answer is no, you need a [new] quarterback. Herbert is in the top five.” -
We basically drafted a smaller, less durable Chad Pennington.Unlucky 13 likes this. -
He must be blowing Ross on the regular or something. Ross is an even bigger idiot for keeping him around so long.Last edited: Oct 8, 2021 -
This article has several inaccuracies- for instance, saying Grier has been with the Fins for six years and over six drafts. When someone overlooks something that basic, I pretty much always stop reading since it's crap journalism.
As to Lombardi's points, someone within the organization was in love with Tua. Was it Grier? Ross? Marino? I have no idea. But if Grier didn't want to take Tua and his hand was forced, then Tua's ultimately not on him and Ross knows that.
For the other picks that Grier did actually make; Wilkins, Waddle and Phillips look pretty good so far. Jackson was a long-term project from the start and people need to stop acting like we didn't know that going in. He gave bone marrow to save his sister's life and he entered the NFL while he was still rebuilding his strength. It was almost impossible for him to develop right away and again, we knew that! If he busts, then sure, 100% on Grier...but we're not there yet. This kid will turn into a solid NFL tackle, but it will probably be another year.
And for Tua, calling him a bust at this point is ridiculous! He's played 4 NFL quarters in the new offense and we beat the Pats at Gillette. Last year he wasn't 100%, didn't have a preseason and didn't know the playbook...but started some anyway because the same person who wanted to draft him so badly insisted on it. So all this bust talk really comes down to 4 quarters of football in a game he looked pretty good in. It makes zero sense.
All I can say is, they can fire Grier tomorrow and Tua is still our QB1 for the foreseeable future. People need to accept that.Puka-head and Silverphin like this. -
I'm not here to defend Chris Grier or anything, but Mike Lombardi is one of the last people I'd go to for an opinion on another GM.
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There are a lot more misses and busts on Grier's resume than hits, and even his hits have been underwhelming.
If Jackson was a project then he should not have been picked in the first round, same with Noah. The first round is not where you pick project players. In the first round you should be picking players who are ready to contribute significantly from day one, not 2-3 years down the line. Project players should be picked in later rounds.
That is one of the main errors in Grier's drafting, trying to outsmart everyone by thinking he sees something everybody else doesn't see with these raw players, then falling flat on his face.BitcoinMillionaire, Dan S, Dolphin Dundee and 1 other person like this. -
To Keys point, it’s too early to call Tua a bust. Having said that, I’ve seen nothing from him that has convinced me that he has any ability to stay healthy or be a franchise QB when healthy. He looks like at best a mid tier QB who’s going to need training wheels(a good back up QB) because you can’t depend on him. The fact that we whiffed on maybe one of the top 3-4 QB’s in the league is reason enough for me to fire him. Then pile on Charles Harris, Noah Ig, Jackson who’s one of the worst starting tackles in football. On top of that, I’ll never understand trading up for a slot WR when you can’t protect your QB.
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I find the whole way we set up our "young team" wrong. We bring in young raw players and try to coach them up by unproven promoted within coaches it's like the blind leading the blind. The only way this works is you have proven coaches along with a few veteran players to help guide them along not just throw everyone in the fire and hope it works.
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Iggy is the most sure bust we've seen so far, but I can also accept that because everyone misses sometimes. The kid had a ton of raw talent and was expected to develop into a shutdown corner quickly....and it just didn't happen. That's okay in my book to miss like that, but Jackson was in an entire other category since he missed part of the year for the bone marrow surgery.
I do love Jackson's story and all, but you just don't see NFL athletes in this position enough (much less linemen) to know how it will affect them long-term. If we whiffed late 2nd/3rd on him, then sure, it didn't work out and it was worth a try. But he never should have gone in the 1st round.
With that said, what now? Firing Grier does not fix Jackson or Iggy. Some would say that the problem lies in the coaching and development side, sort of like a Dion Jordan who had tons of potential and never lived up to it. So unless we can say without a shadow of a doubt that these players were a bust from day 1, that's not entirely on Grier.
Why am I bringing this up? I was angry when Gase left and we went on this new direction of gutting the team and bold promises. Nobody can predict building a perennial playoff contender in 3-4 years, the league is just too competitive. I was against a rebuild because we were basically an 8-8 team...and three years later with 50 new players, we look pretty much like an 8-8 team. What was the point? What did we gain from doing this?
It makes zero sense to fire Grier, Flores or anyone else until we realize where/what went wrong. Just blindly firing people because Ross was dumb enough to believe them only ensures that we're going to repeat this all over again...and again...and again. The lesson here is to pinpoint the mistakes and learn from them.
And besides, if we do fire Flores/Grier after they received guaranteed five year contracts, who in their right mind fills those positions next year? Not someone that can make us a perennial playoff contender, I promise you that. We can't even hire assistants at this point because of Miami's rinse and repeat reputation. In my opinion, we have to ride this out for a few more seasons for better or worse. Anything else will only bring chaos to this organization and the few players we do have worth a darn are going to bail. Sound familiar?Hooligan likes this. -
He was 11-21 as a GM and the 3 years after he left they were 4-44. He has some responsibility for that.
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Lombardi is trash and it's crazy he still has a job. He's just pointing out the obvious - we are floundering and our top talent guy (Grier) looks to be a mediocre to bad GM so far. It's a lazy take just piling on.
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This Fandom has an issue with developing a cult around one particular qb prospect most years, and if you aren't part of that, you become immediately wrong.Last edited: Oct 9, 2021brandon27, hitman8, canesz06 and 1 other person like this. -
As far as Grier goes, I'm not ready to call for his head yet. He made a dumb pick with Noah I, and he reached with Hunter Long this past April. I thought the Hunter Long pick was the dumbest pick I have seen in a long time. Hopefully I eat those words, but WTF man!? That's my opinion on him so far. Other than that, I like most of our picks. I thought that maybe he should have kept a couple OL vets around (mainly Flowers). I think he wisely tried to replace him with DJ Fluker and it unfortunately blew up in his face. Just a busted free agent signing. Will Fuller...Meh...I was skeptical of it, I didn't think it was a necessary signing. He's been injury prone since he's come into this league, I didn't and don't expect much from him. Worth a shot I guess, but I thought we already had some decent home grown talent brewing with Bowden (also injured), Perry, and Ford (not sure where he is).
So does the axe fall on Grier, or Flores, or someone else? If we finish the season 3-14 then yeah, I think Grier gets ousted. But Ross has proven to be a patient man. He shows faith in the guys running stuff, I don't think he's going to make a knee jerk decision. Flores is going to get at least four years here. I think Tua gets the rest of this year and next year as well. After that, I can see heads rolling if we aren't getting better and winning games. It is what is...The life of a Miami Dolphin fan. We're going to get our asses whooped again this weekend by Tampa. Take it like a man and get stronger from it is all I can say to the players. 1-4 at that point with Tua coming back and a pretty chill (although competitive) schedule on the horizon. We'll start feeling better after we put together a few wins.KeyFin likes this. -
I haven't had an answer to this question for 2 years running. At least not in the drafting/scouting department. Maybe keep him around if he starts making favorable pick trades again, but he had some blunders there too after big gains. But worse (and most unforgivable to me) is... He picked the wrong QB, and I and a lot of other fans said nope don't believe the hype, take Herbert. But who else has he drafted of note in 3-4 yrs? Xavien was his only memorable hit.. and Gesicki if he has a QB, idk wtf is wrong with Gesicki, but I do remember him looking like a pro-bowler with Fitzpatrick. Other than that Grier has bludgeoned the Dolphins with his drafting errors omg I can't even think about those 4 first round picks, and the one swapped this season "shoots self." Fire this fool already ROSS has no BALLS. He gots Prunes with no Balls
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A few issues that I have with Tua. Injuries, look at how many this mid has had. I don’t thing he has every played every game in a season even in college; maybe high school. There is a saying, hurt in college, hurt in the pros. Then, who was the QB draft right after Tua… Herbert! Herbert looks like the second coming of Marino and we had a chance to draft him. If someone would have drafted Herbert before us then I wouldn’t even bring Herbert up. Like with Joe Burrows, it doesn’t even bother me if he does good, we never had a chance to draft him.
With that said, Grier must be fired. He missed on Tua, Jackson looks horrible and where is Iggy? You don’t draft projects in the first round. You draft players that are ready to go. Grier has been in our organization for 20 years, how many probowl players have we had? How many playoff wins do we have? Nope, Grier has to go asap!
Grier did do a good job on getting a lot of draft picks but he is everyone in our front office is horrible on talent evaluation. They all need to be fired.