And passes over 40 yds, which was a huge weakness for him in 2010, he is top 5 in a couple of categories.

I think it is fair to say that he did spend time working on his flaws and it paid off, even his playaction fakes look better.

 

This might mean nothing at all, since it is the preseason, or it might be an indication that Dan Henning really was that bad.

Like 'straight from the depths of hell' bad.

 

It seems that the light has finally gone on for Henne a little bit. We'll see if he can carry that over into the regular season.

 

I haven't had one single moment this preseason where I thought Daboll made a horrible play-call. In fact, I think he's done a bang-up job so far.

 

The goal line leaves something to be desired, but I don't think they pull that in a regular season game. I think that is more about Daboll and especially Tony getting a look at short yardage. I would expect a lot more to be going on during the season.

Have to say, as bad as Cleveland was, I was actually somewhat excited to get him. He is definitely a high energy guy, and while Cleveland's offense was statistically terrible, Daboll helped fashion a rookie in McCoy into a decent QB, and got Hillis rolling from nowhere.

I just hope Henne can be consistent once the games start counting.

 

I wish I had a dollar for every time I said that.
Henning was like poison to our young QB and David Lee never did anything to help Henne with his feet.
I knew a brand new attack style offense would help Chad. That is why I never gave up on his development.

 

I'm starting to be less worried about Chad Henne and more worried about our offensive line...

 

Look who's second and third, with only one interception each. heh Funny how top three are those three guys. I'm optimistic about Daboll and Henne, but let's not get too carried away before we play any games that count. Oh, and disregard my signature for this post. :lol:

 

That's what I was thinking, too. I hope to see some better run/pass balance when we get close to the goal line once the games count.

 

No Tom Brady or Mark Sanchez on that list. Henne the only QB with 2 40+ yard passing plays and tied with Joe Flacco for 1st with 7 20+ yard passing plays......nice!

Now let's hope it translates to the regular season. With the return of Long our o-line will be much better. I love Pounceys attitude out there as well. Carey better get fired up or he will be out the door.

 

I complained about Henning all season and kept hearing comments like "did Henning suddenly forget how to coach?", and the like. It seemed like most people here were more than happy to lay all the blame on the QB.

 

I'm with you on this..I don't think it's that he forgot to coach, I think Henning was just straight up lazy in game planning. He seemingly just didn't give a damn (at least from my PoV).

I know it's only preseason, but Henne looks so different behind center. He looks in control..he's not afraid to change up the play and he looks very confident. Hopefully it translates to regular season.

 

I also think it became a power struggle where Henning wanted it done his way even if it set the QB and the team up for failure.

I just got frustrated last year with all the people who just completely ignored the impact of the system. I understand that fans are lazy and tend to look for the simple answer (which contrary to popular belief is often wrong) so they just pointed and said, "the QB sucks", but it got to the point where I avoided many threads b/c I couldn't stomach the ignorance.

 

I was also a Henning hater all last year. God, I could not stand to watch that man call plays or watch his terribly simple offensive philosophy. I was excited about the Daboll hiring after I seen that he wanted to take us into more of a spread attack. I can't believe how overlooked that was to our fans this offseason.

Henne finally got just what he needed. He got an OC that is giving him his chance to show he can or can't do it. Henning put Henne on a tight leash without ever giving him a chance to succeed or fail. Love what this whole team has shown so far, love what Henne has shown so far and if the guy continues to grow this season at the rate he really has this last offseason there is a lot of people who are going to feel foolish for trying to push this guy out the door.

 

A cautionary tale:

Moral of the story? Preseason means nothing - let's not go overboard.

 

It is way too convenient to blame the QB instead of actually seeing the real source of the issue. I wanted all along for Henne to get another shot with another OC because it was easy for me to see he was put in every possible bad situation. There were only a handful of us that defended Henne wholeheartedly and not only was it frustrating dealing with "Henne sucks" in all those threads but the piss poor treatment from the haters ( I won't state names cause you know who you are). We were ridiculed and laughed at and told we didn't know what the hell we were talking about. I hope Henne keeps tearing it up so I can laugh in the face of the members that treated us like hell for supporting our young QB. People are just so impatient and don't understand the player development process.

I have to give props though to one person who didn't like Henne and decided he wanted to go back and watch and find out why. He came back understanding the burden of failure was on our veteran OC not the young QB.
Well done DJ.

 

Absolutely. He posted well researched and accurate analysis that was too often belittled by blind and mis-directed hate.

 

Yup, I remember all those comments. For some reason, managers (supervisors etc) frequently receive a pass or unwarranted trust simply because of their "position title", as if nothing is ever their fault.

Stubborn old man Henning became outdated IMO.

 

Unfortunately some of that was posted within threads I started, so the "avoiding" part was a harder for me, Raf. lol.

 

I am a henne fan and for the most part have always been... but keep in mind guys that the last two games were against the panthers who dont have that great of a secondary and the bucs who with aqib talib arent that good eithe andddd were in pre season, so dont get too hyped up on his STATS. BUT i do really like what ive seen from henne with decision making, accuracy, aggressiveness, playing against the blitz and not forcing the ball. if you look at the highlight reel post of the bucs game, at about 2:41 henne eyes down marshall the entire play but rather than forcing it in there and ending with a pick like he probably would have done last year, he kept his composure, looked over and hit gates for the first down, good stuff

 

Agree about the stats. They don't really seem to matter because it is preseason.
I will say anyone with eyes can see that Henne is developing into the QB we need him to be.
Of course everyone is a Henne supporter this week..... the naysayers are hiding waiting to pounce when things go south.
One thing I'll say about Henne is he has endured the storm from the fans, the media and his own team. He has been a real man about it and turned the criticism into positives.
The haters wanted him to fold so they could say they were right but so far it hasn't happened.
Love it!

 

appreciate that guys, Iam gonna wait til the bye before I feel like the analysis was completely justified..But there are some encouraging signs..and some other members like Todd...GM...Killa.. MrC.. VT..yourself, and others that were on the same page about how all the negative variables on the team last year could of been directly correlated with the perception that the QB was responsible for the losses, I'll wait til after the first quarter of the season to pat anyone harder on the butt, lol..We've got to be at 2 and 2 for us to feel good about a lot of things.

 

I think that is what gets me hyped a bit, is that the man, for a preseason, was under more pressure than anyone in the league at his position, and played well in the face of it..That's encouraging man..

 

i´m riding shotgun on that thing forever..

 

Yup, and most def AL-B-SURE

 

Yup, major props to DJ. The guy had it in him to be completely objective even if it meant going against his initial beliefs..... and then had the stones to publicly stand up for them despite the s***storm awaiting.

IMO all too often people are afraid to stand up for their beliefs against the masses for fear of persecution, or too often people conform to the masses b/c they don't trust their own opinion and would rather follow popular belief than risk ridicule.

 

IMO it doesn't matter if Henne fails or becomes the next Marino. The reason you deserve praise is that you provided an objective analysis that looked at Henne in several aspects and compared him to what other QBs were doing. And then you were able to change your opinion based on those objective facts. In most analysis people just look at one stat that supports their opinion. Their confirmation bias makes them ignore most of the other info. Or like Armando's piece they fail to compare it to other QBs to see what level of performance successful and unsuccessful QBs achieve.

 

Rafi, I honestly think if we go as pass heavy/3 Wr set heavy as I suspect we will, Henne will break through 4k yds and 22 or more Td's, we also will have 3 Wr's at or over 1k yds

Difference will be, late in the 4th qtr when yds are tougher to come by is where Henne stands or falls down, a Qb cannot help but put up large numbers in that style of offense, the problem is, and I saw it with the run and shoot, when it gets late in the game, passing does not pick up tough yds as so much can go wrong.

 

It is not difficult to lead the league in passing during the preseason if you are playing with the first team receivers far more than other starting QB's are playing. Sparano has kept his starters in the games much more this preseason than the other teams in the NFL have. With a new offensive coordinator and no off season work, the Dolphins have used the preseason to give the starters more playing time. The more experienced teams with the same offensive coordinators have only used their starting QB's for a limited time in each game. Also defenses are not game planning during preseason. So the fact that Henne is leading the league in passing yards during games which count for absolutely nothing, is totally irrelevant.

 

I've made it no secret that I don't believe Henne is the long term answer, but I do think he'll produce Orton like numbers and with our defense that's good enough to make us a playoff team for a few years while we hopefully groom a QB.

 

I don't think that's true. I've watched a ton of preseason games and Miami hasn't appeared to keep their starters in more than anybody else. NE seemed to keep their staters in the longest for any second preseason game I saw. Does somebody have a PFF account that has play counts for the preseason?

 

Good post and point Pad. and it's something I've brought up a few times. In a spread style system, any Qb that is at least competent is going to put up decent numbers (see Matt Cassell, circa 2008). I expect that Henne will end the year is the David Garrard/Orton range, 85 rating or so, 20-23 TD's. 14-17, INTS. And that will be nice, and it's possible we're a 9 win team under that scenario, but that won't necessarily make Henne a franchise QB or somebody worth paying $9-10 mill per. Garrard had a 90 QBR last eyar with a great TD/INT ratio and the Jags traded up for a QB.

If the system is important as people like RAf suggest, then it stands to reason that an even better QB will be exponentially better in such a system. Unless Henne turns into Brees 2006 and puts up a 104 rating and 30 TD's, I'm probably still shopping at the end of the season

 

Garrard is also 33 though. If he were 26 (what Henne will be after this year) with those numbers I doubt they'd have traded up for a QB.

 

I think that will depend on what they think Henne's upside is, what his contract demands are and what they think of the available draft talent. I hope that regardless of what Henne does this year they still get a QB early in the next draft. It wouldn't matter if they win the SB or Henne breaks all of Marino's records. I do believe that the system can be the difference between a talented QB being bad or good enough and that you can be a perennial playoff team and even win a SB with a QB like Henne and good system and team around him. But to be a perennial SB contender you need that franchise guy and we should keep looking until we find one. And if Henne is playing well then it will make it easier to give the young QB time to develop. I believe that providing that time greatly improves the odds for that young QB. Even if I'm wrong and Henne is the franchise guy, then we'll have a valuable chip to trade away in the young QB should that be the route they choose.